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IVIg every two weeks

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14 years 7 months ago #12193 by xray001
IVIg every two weeks was created by xray001
I was just wondering if there was anybody else out there with a child that requires IVIg as often as Danica? I have not met anyone else like her, and was wondering if maybe she really was "unique" in this area.

Michelle

Michelle - mom to Danica - age 13
Diagnosed 8-6-09
No response with Prednisone, WinRho or Rituximab.
over 60 IVIg infusions (every two weeks)
Three Decadron pulses - count was up while on the Decadron, and then fell as soon as it was stopped. SPLENECTOMY done 7-June-2011 Last count 594
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14 years 7 months ago #12233 by alexpaul
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My son was told on January 10, 2011 that he had ITP we had a level of 500 did IVIG TWICE AND LEVEL CAME UP TO 26,000. BY MONDAY WAS BACK AGAIN LEVEL 3.34 THIS TIME DID WINRO BECAUSE IVIG GAVE HIM MIGRANE AND VOMIT AFTER. AFTER WINRO HIS LEVEL CAME DOWN TO 2.76. tHE NEXT DAY WE DID BONE MARROW STARTED PREDISONE AND LEVEL CAME UP TO 8.8 DID ANOTHER ROUND OF IVIG AND LEVEL CAME UP TO 50,000. TWO DAYS LATER WE HAD NOSE BLEEDS AND BRUISES I KNEW HIS LEVEL WAS COMING DOWN. WE THEN STARTED RITUXIMAB WITH A LEVEL OF 2.9 WE GO BACK VERY WEEK TO DO A TREATMENT OF RITUXIMAB. SECOND TREATMENT LEVEL WAS 3.1, SO THEY DID A ROUND OF METHYLPREDNISOLONE IN HIS IV. TWO DAYS LATER MY CHILD COULD NOT WALK HIS LEGS WERE IN SO MUCH PAIN. DID I MENTION THAT HE IS 7. THE LEGS HURT FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS BUT NOT AS BAD. BY MONDAY I SENT HIM TO SCHOOL AND WHEN HE CAME BACK FROM SCHOOL THE TROUBLE STARTED, HE HAD BLOOD IN HIS URINE AND A LOT OF IT. WE BROUGHT HIM IN TO ER AND HIS LEVEL WAS 900 AND HAD A LOT OF BLOOD IN URINE. THEY STARTED HIM ON IVIG THAT NIGHT AND NEXT MORNING DID A ROUND OF PLATELTS TO STOP THE BLOOD IN URINE. THAT AFTERNOON HIS LEVEL WAS 71,000 BUT I WAS NOT EXCITED YET BECAUSE THEY HAD JUST GAVE HIM TRUE PLATELETS. THE NEXT NIGHT DID ANOTHER IVIG AND THE NEXT MORNING DID AN ULTRASOUND ON HIS KIDNEYS AND SPLEEN ALL LOOKS NORMAL. HIS COUNT WAS UP TO 78,000 THE HIGHEST IT HAS BEEN SINCE THIS STARTED. THAT DAY WAS OUR NORMAL DAY FOR RITUXIMAB SO THEY WENT AHEAD WITH THAT TREATMENT AS NORMAL. AND DON'T YOU KNOW THAT DAY HE CAME OUT WITH A RASH ON HANDS AND LEGS AND ITCHING LIKE CRAZY LIKE HE DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH TO WORRY ABOUT. WE LEFT THE HOSPITAL LAST NIGHT AND WE GO BACK NEXT WEDNESDAY FOR OUR LAST TREATMENT. THAT IS IF WE ARE NOT THERE BEFORE. I AM NOT FEELING TO GOOD ABOUT THE WHOLE THING OUR LEVELS GO UP AND COUPLE OF DAYS AND THEN WE ARE BACK AGAIN. THE DOCTOR SAID THAT HE IS BEING STUBBORN, AND NOTHING SEEMS TO BE WORKING ON HIM FOR A LONG TIME. IF ANYONE HAS ANY ADVISE I WOULD BE HAPPY. THANKS LORETTA
14 years 7 months ago #12235 by
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Hi Michelle,

I don't think that Danica's response is that unusual. My daughter, Hannah, was the same. I lost count of how many IVIG infusions that she had, but she got them weekly. When we returned the following week, her platelets were always back down, usually <10k. . Looking back, if I knew then, what I know now, I would have never put her through it (she always had terrible side effects-headache, nausea, intense vomiting and achey flu-like symptoms). At the time, I had did not own a computer, and had never used one, either. There was very little information given to us by the hospital. We were led to believe that she'd probably be dead before the week was out, if we didn't "do something". . I did know enough to refuse the Prednisone or the splenectomy, and felt as if the IVIG would not do as much longterm harm. (My daughter had an anaphylactic shock reaction to her very first treatment with WinRho.)

But, now I would not continue giving the IVIG if I had to do it over again, for multiple reasons:

One, she did not have a significant, lasting response. Platelets that crept into the teens or low 20's for a day or two, and then crashed back down to under 10 within the week, was simply not enough for all that she went through.

Two, it made her feel perfectly miserable for about 5 days afterwards--so not worth it!

Three, it nearly killed her when a new nurse did not pre-treat her adequately, and she went into anaphalactic shock again. Her blood pressure completely bottomed out, and she was unconscious for over an hour. We weren't really sure if she'd suffered brain damage or not. She described it as the most painful thing she has ever felt, when she woke.

Four, because of her reaction , they gave it to her very slowly, so each week we had to count on spending about 16 hours in the oncology unit, between the 14 hour infusion and then the couple of hours of waiting on labs and pre and post treatment and monitoring. She also missed at least one or two days of school per week because of this, and because of her bad reaction to it.

Five, it was very expensive!! $13,000 each week, and that was before the hospital and doctor's costs. Granted, we did not have to pay anything towards it, as in California, they have a program that covers children for specific kins of illnesses or injuries,and ITP is one of them, Frankly, I feel that someone is making some pretty significant money by recommending it repeatedly for kids, when it obviously isn't do much of anything.I am sure it would be a completely different story if this treatment would have to be paid for out of pocket.. As it is, the hospital, staff and the pharmaceutical companies have a pretty good bread and butter thing going on, don't they?

If a treatment is not making any significant difference, and is not even expected or designed to put you into remission, then why continue with it? You also have to weigh the risks of receiving a blood product from multiple donors. The safety of our blood supply is pretty good, yet not fail-proof.

Then, you have to make a decision of what you can do instead. Wait and watch, and only treating if symptoms are dangerous is an approach that doctors in many other countries use the most. One of my daughter's hematologists said that there was little difference in the final outcome, between patients that were treated aggressively, and those that took the wait and watch approach.

There are many more treatments available now, compared to what was offered to my daughter. But, the known and unknown side effects, especially the longterm side effects, scared booth of us. As I was a homeopathic student at the time, halfway through my studies, that was the option we pursued from the first. It took a couple of tries before hitting upon the best homeopathic remedy for her. But, when I did, it took her platelets from 11k to 411k in 4 days! Besides just her platelets getting better, we saw huge improvement in pretty much every aspect of her being. I've yet to see any other treatment that can do that.

BTW, alexpaul, have you told your doctor about your son's last experience with the Rituxan, the itching? Did he develop any hives? Be very careful! He may have a worse response next time. I would have your doctor rule out serum sickness. It can occur many weeks after being exposed to Rituxan, and the next exposure will usually be much worse. Please rule this out before getting another dose. FYI, there are some homeopathic remedies that can be used in case of a bad reaction like this. It might be a good idea to have them on hand, and learn more about their indications, in case your child experiences an allergic response. These are by no means the only ones, but these are likely the three most common ones, that could save a life, or greatly reduce any discomfort. The Apis is what saved my daughter the first time she went into anaphylactic shock.

While few studies have examined the effectiveness of specific homeopathic remedies, professional homeopaths may recommend one or more of the following treatments for allergic reactions based on their knowledge and clinical experience. Before prescribing a remedy, homeopaths take into account a person's constitutional type -- your physical, emotional, and intellectual makeup. An experienced homeopath assesses all of these factors when determining the most appropriate remedy for a particular individual.

* Apis (Honeybee) -- for hives with intense burning as well as for very rapid, edematous or watery swelling. People for whom this treatment is appropriate describe a stinging relieved by cool compresses.The headache is often quite severe and intense, an excellent remedy for meningitis. Taking a breath can be very painful, as if each breath will be his last. There may be rocking of the head and "brain cry" or shrieking!. Irritation of the margins of the lids, especially when the conjunctiva looks like red meat, and/or swelling out of the eye. They may be thirstless, and there may be greatly diminished urine output, or the urine may be bloody.,

* Rhus toxicodendron (Poison Ivy) -- for hives that burn and are very itchy and relieved by warm compresses or from scalding hot water. These may often appear on the genitalia, esp on the thigh next to the crotch. A person for whom this is appropriate tends to be restless and must change positions frequently, walking about or stretching. This restlessness is always greater at might (restless leg syndrome is common). Muscles and joints feel very stiff, tight, hard and contracted, or too short. There can be lameness, and difficulty in moving on first motion. Called the "rusty gate" remedy, as it is difficult to move at first (esp in the a.m.) , but it gets better as you move around and limber up, or take a hot shower. Rheumatoid or arthritic symptoms are prominent. Much pain in the neck and low back. Sciatica. Fever blisters. Tip of tongue may have a red triangle. Perspiration on the whole body, except the head. Desires cold milk and sweets
Symptoms are Worse from cold, damp or drafts, overexertion and in the mornings.
Symptoms are Better from warm applications, warm showers, change of position, continued movement

* Urtica urens (stinging nettles)
-- for Hives and other red, raised rashes that are painful, burning, stinging and swelling, but relieved by rubbing. Hives after SHELLFISH and pinworms [skin elevated with a white central spot and a red areola] with intolerable itching and burning, relieved by RUBBING. Eruption and itching are better for lying.
Hives alternating with rheumatism.
Hives are worse after bathing, after violent exercise and from warmth.
Hives and enuresis (bedwetting)

Allergic skin reactions with burning, itching and severe swelling of larger area than only the spot of the sting [after stings of insects].
Burns [especially after being scalded with hot liquid] with burning sensation and violent itching.
Angioneurotic oedema [Apis].
Diarrhoea from suppressed eruptions.
Acrid urine, causes itching.
Affections of the spleen and Liver
Headache, with spleen pain, rush of blood to head
Soreness of abdomen, dysentery, burning and itching of anus
Edema, urticaria, rheumatic and gouty pains, and fever
Acute gout

April
14 years 7 months ago #12245 by
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I don't have time to go into a lot of details but I would just encourage you to reconsider doing this weekly. I'm surprised the doctors will even do that. Our son was a non-responder to the things they tried and they refused to do IVIG after no response. We ended up going the homeopathic route. I can tell you that my son received heptatis B tainted IVIG. IVIG is a plasma based product and the plasma banks pay people to donate. Therefore, you get the drug addicts and people looking for money who, generally speaking, are not the healthiest to begin with. They are not *supposed* to allow these people to donate, but they do. The IVIG did not leave our son's body cells until just a few weeks ago. But he'd had his last treatment back in May of 2010. So while it may leave the "blood stream" it does not necessarily leave the body cells. I do believe it hindered his healing a little bit and as soon as it left his cells we saw a stablizing affect to his platelets. Thankfully, as well, the hepatitis B is no longer present. They were unable to determine back in May if he had gotten actual hepatitis virus or someone's antibodies to it (they aren't supposed to use antibody positive plasma either). I would really encourage you to consider the homeopathy route as it is so much safer, it's very effective, and provides long term healing.

Wish I had more time to explain but hopefully you have enough info you can do some research on your own.
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14 years 7 months ago #12249 by xray001
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April - what kind of things did you do for your daughter when you took the homeopathic route? How long ago was that, and does she continue to do well?

Just curious as to what to expect should we consider this route.

Michelle

Michelle - mom to Danica - age 13
Diagnosed 8-6-09
No response with Prednisone, WinRho or Rituximab.
over 60 IVIg infusions (every two weeks)
Three Decadron pulses - count was up while on the Decadron, and then fell as soon as it was stopped. SPLENECTOMY done 7-June-2011 Last count 594
14 years 7 months ago - 14 years 7 months ago #12252 by
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Hi Michelle,

You can read my daughter's full story on the Original Forum, under the Adult section and Natural Treatments. There is a thread called "Homeopathic Doctor" on there with a lot of information on homeopathy and how it works. Here's a link to it:
discuss.pdsa.org/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=23985
But, briefly, I did not do anything special regards diet or supplements or regimens. Instead, I just took her to my homeopath and favorite teacher, and had him take her case. He allowed me to sit in on it, and we discussed her case together, as I was still a student at the time. The first remedy he chose for her worked partially (brought her platelets up to 144k in 10 days, and the constant nausea and vomiting she'd been having stopped. But, her platelets didn't stay up, only for about 3 weeks. It wasn't until she got VERY ill with a bad case of swimmer's ear, that I realized that she actually needed a slightly different remedy from the one he had given. . When I gave it, it did the trick. I saw almost immediate improvement. Mind you, she was in a very critical state--I really thought she was dying--and within 12 hours, you would have never known she had been ill at all! When we returned to the hospital 2 days later, because of her very obvious improvement, we did not anticipate her needing another IVIG infusion. But, because her platelets initially dropped (What I have since discovered seems to be the normal course when treating homeopathically), the nurses talked me into giving her one more IVIG. This was the time when she had the second anaphalactic shock reaction, 5 minutes into the infusion, and nearly died. After that, I gave her one more dose of remedy, and 2 days later she was at 411k.

That was over 6 1/2 years ago, and she has been normal counts since, and yes, she is doing really well. She still takes "her remedy" on occasion, and it is almost the only remedy she has needed for treating anything that she might get. When her body goes out of balance, that is always the remedy that quickly brings it back into balance. That is true for most who have been treated constitutionally. Generally speaking, they will continue to be helped by the same remedy for many, many years. Occasionally, they may need something different for injuries or first aid or an infectious disease (IOW, something that happens to them externally), but internal things will quickly respond to their constitutional remedy quite rapidly, usually within 5-10 minutes of giving it.

There is also quite a bit of information in the current forum's Natural Treatment section, on treating homeopathically. You may want to check it out if you're interested.

Best wishes to you and Danica,
April
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