Magnesium....Again

This was a very informative article about Magnesium. It also touched on Calcium, Vitamin D and Vitamin K2. I can't say enough about Magnesium and the difference it can make in how you physically feel. It has helped many of my odd symptoms over the years. I just have a problem sticking to it.

articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/12/17/magnesium-benefits.aspx

Maybe if you stick to your magnesium you might not have trouble taking iron.

Ha, I said the same thing in another thread.

Here is another article worth reading. I have to curb myself from buying all of them.

drnibber.com/understanding-different-types-of-magnesium/

www.kumc.edu/school-of-medicine/integrative-medicine/the-benefits-of-magnesium.html

Rob - this one seems to help migraines.

www.amazon.com/KAL-Magnesium-Glycinate-400-tablets/dp/B00013YZ1Q/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top?ie=UTF8

Nice find. I was just talking to my mother about her need to increase her Mg but without taking supplements (her oncologist has ordered her to avoid all supplements). So this is a handy reference, and now I just have to convince her to eat more pumpkin seeds, etc.

Yes, sometimes it's a fine line between supplements, vitamins and electrolytes. I try to stick to the pure versions of vitamins and electrolytes. I've been talking about Magnesium for a long time now. It always makes a huge improvement in how I feel, but I always slack off after a few weeks. I think because I already take so many meds that it's just hard to keep up with and when I feel better, I think I don't need them any more. After a few weeks without them, I start a downward spiral and feel weak, exhausted, lethargic, (and many other odd symptoms), but then stupidly don't make the connection to stopping the Mag. It seems to affect so many bodily functions on a cellular level. I've been researching it for two days; there is so much to learn about it because there are so many different types that do different things.

A few years ago I had low Magnesium levels and had to get an IV. At the time, I had been taking Magnesium for months that I bought at the drug store...Oxide. I thought it was fine. Apparently, it wasn't doing anything and Oxide is not one of the best available, yet it's sold more commonly than the others. I've read many times that your blood level does not even show a deficiency until a person is very deficient, and it can take months to have an adequate amount in the body.

Well, I could go on and on but you probably didn't want to know all of that. :blink:

Sandi wrote: Rob - this one seems to help migraines.

www.amazon.com/KAL-Magnesium-Glycinate-400-tablets/dp/B00013YZ1Q/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top?ie=UTF8

From what I can tell, there is good science behind this, but it is the magnesium and not the glycinate that helps with migraine. The important thing is to get an easily-absorbed compound, which the glycinate certainly is. Ellen and I take Magnesium oxide in liquid gel capsules. I think that in that form it should be pretty absorbable.

Sandi, Did you notice from the Dr. Nibber article above that proton pump inhibitors used long term cause magnesium deficiency? The FDA put out a warning on it:
www.fda.gov/Drugs/DrugSafety/ucm245011.htm

Sandi, Did you notice from the Dr. Nibber article above that proton pump inhibitors used long term cause magnesium deficiency? The FDA put out a warning on it.


Yes, I did see that. One more reason for me to take Magnesium.

I've taken Mag Oxide before and I can honestly tell you, I never felt the positive changes that I've been seeing from the other types of Magnesium. Oxide did nothing for me. I've had much more success with the Super Magnesium from GNC which has Aspartate, Lactate and Citrate. Also the Natural Calm which is Citrate in powder form. I guess you read the detailed article that outlines the differences in the Mag types, they all seem to do different things. I am trying to find one now that has Malate and Glycinate due to their help with muscle oxygenation and ability to calm the body. I even read one article that said that people with a Type A personality need Magnesium more than those who are not Type A. I thought that was sort of funny. I am Type A, but I think my husband would argue that it's OCD. Same thing, right?

Anyway, it might be worth asking her doctor about it the next time she goes. She sees a Neurologist, right?

There is a new one, Mag Threonate, that helps with cognitive function. For some reason, I'm finding this fascinating.

I've read and said this before:

If your body isn't absorbing magnesium well, try avoid these types of magnesium: Oxide, hydroxide, and chloride. Instead, look for magnesium types that end in "ate", particularly glycinate, but also gluconate, lactate and orotate.

www.relieve-migraine-headache.com/magnesium-migraines.html

I'm pretty sure that I have an absorption problem because of all of my low vitamin and electrolyte levels, so I avoid the 'ides' for that reason.

Rob:

I've just spent over an hour looking for the perfect article for you about Magnesium Oxide. None of them were what I was looking for, but this one sums it up simply. Not the best thing I've ever come up with, but it says what most of the other articles have said. Oxide is poorly absorbed by the body; only 4% of the magnesium actually gets absorbed. The other 96% stays in the intestines and acts as a laxative. That's pretty much all it is. That would explain why it didn't do anything for me when I took it. When I bought the bottle, I thought all Magnesium was created equal. If I weren't falling asleep right now, I'd keep looking.

www.ehow.com/facts_5911101_difference-magnesium-oxide-magnesium-citrate.html

For about 4-6mos in 2013 I was taking Zantac- ranitidine (a proton pump inhibitor) for acid reflux from prednisone use. The acid reflux was so bad it was burning my esophagus and causing a chronic cough. Also I began getting bad migraines with auras more and more frequently, twice a month or more. Finally after researching, discovered that migraines can be a side effect of ranitidine. Quit taking it and no more migraines. Just wonder if there is a magnesium deficiency connection.?

I have been taking a fairly expensive calcium combo from Whole Foods- now I see it has Mag Oxide. hmmm... I will switch to something else, glycinate sounds interesting. Does the mag supplements have to be balanced with other minerals, or can they be taken on their own?

This is good information! Thanks for posting. I was inspired to get out the juicer and make some green leafy, celery, carrot juice. Also had some almond butter on toast. will get some spinach, seeds and nuts!

Sandi, I think you got it right, but from now on if you can cite eHow I can cite Wikipedia!
Here are some journal articles I found using scholar.google.com

www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07315724.1990.10720349#.VaIcHvmrTcs
Journal of the American College of Nutrition Volume 9, Issue 1, 1990
Magnesium bioavailability from magnesium citrate and magnesium oxide.
The increment in urinary magnesium following magnesium citrate load (25 mmol) was significantly higher than that obtained from magnesium oxide load (during 4 hours post-load, 0.22 vs 0.006 mg/mg creatinine, p less than 0.05; during second 2 hours post-load, 0.035 vs 0.008 mg/mg creatinine, p less than 0.05). Thus, magnesium citrate was more soluble and bioavailable than magnesium oxide.

www.jle.com/fr/revues/mrh/e-docs/mg_citrate_found_more_bioavailable_than_other_mg_preparations_in_a_randomised_doubleblind_study__260858/article.phtml
Mg citrate found more bioavailable than other Mg preparations in a randomised, double‐blind study
Mg citrate supplementation resulted in the greatest (P ∓ 0.027) mean salivary Mg concentration compared with all other treatments. Mg oxide supplementation resulted in no differences compared to placebo. We conclude that a daily supplementation with Mg citrate shows superior bioavailability after 60 days of treatment when compared with other treatments studied.

europepmc.org/abstract/med/20364677
Comparative study of magnesium salts bioavailability in rats fed a magnesium-deficient diet
Mg L-aspartate compensated for magnesium deficit more effectively and faster than all other salts. Mg chloride showed the highest efficiency among inorganic magnesium salts.

On another topic, this article makes a strong case for the hypothesis that magnesium deficiency is implicated in treatment resistant depression and other forms of depression as well. Magnesium supplementation can be equally as effective as antidepressant medications.

www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306987709007300
Magnesium for treatment-resistant depression: A review and hypothesis

Rob, I know, I told you it wasn't a good reference. At 1:30 in the morning, it looked good enough to me. The problem with searching these things is that you get sites selling. There is a lot to weed through. I saw a very good article the other day that I thought I'd bookmarked. I guess I didn't and was trying to find the same one.

Posey, Oxide is okay if it's mixed with some better ones. If it's on it's own, it is not a good supplement. Magnesium can be taken on it's own, but if a person takes too much, it can throw other things out of balance, like Calcium. If you don't overdo it or if you can successfully balance the ratio's of Calcium, Magnesium, and K-2, you should be okay. I won't pretend that I know how to do that properly. Yet! My plan is to not take too much.

Poseymint, ranitidine is an H2 blocker and not a PPI. Not sure if that makes any difference to you but may mean you don't need to avoid the PPIs. I found that the H2 blockers didn't help with reflux while the PPIs did.

I have been taking magnesium glycinate for the past few weeks and have found it to help my migraines immensely. I can now get rid of a headache immediately with a little Tylenol and it stays away. Before, Tylenol wouldn't help and is be in misery for about three days. It has also helped me to sleep better.

However, now I have new concerns. I already take a very good vitamin that has the daily amount of magnesium that I should need. So with sometimes eating foods high in magnesium, plus the added 200mg I've been taking, I'm concerned it's too much. I found this on WebMD...

www.m.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-998/magnesium/source-3

So I had no clue that it could affect my ITP, but it appears it might?? Plus, I really don't want to risk hurting my heart either. But I really feel it has helped me feel better in general, even if it is more than what is normally recommended. Apparently the normal recommendation wasn't enough for me, based on how I was feeling. Thoughts on this?

Side note: I have noticed more bruising lately. Last count was 56000, but I think they're fluctuating again due to my symptoms. I don't think I'm always that high Wonder if it's related to the magnesium.