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hornbeam as an alternative?

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14 years 9 months ago #10890 by dpaynter
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has anyone used or heard of hornbeam (carpinus betulus) as an alternative medicine to raise counts? I was in a herbal medicine store yesterday and said I had low platelets. Waiting to see my haematologist next week before I even try anything
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14 years 9 months ago #10892 by tamar
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I've had ITP for 9 years, and have been visiting this board for 8 years, and I have never heard of hornbeam.
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14 years 9 months ago #10893 by Madridista
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i havent heard abt tat but i have heard tat the papaya leaf extract does raise platelet counts
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14 years 9 months ago #10895 by dpaynter
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then thats why we are waiting to talk to my doctor
14 years 9 months ago #10897 by
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I haven't heard of Hornbeam being of use in raising platelets. Not sure if you're referring to an herbal formulation of it, or the Bach Flower essence. Without an experienced herbalist to guide you, I would not use the herbal formula. But, the Bach Flower essences are very gentle acting, and have their action more on ones emotional state, rather than the physical. I highly doubt there would be any harm from using the flower essence. If your state matches to this, it might help you emotionally deal with things better. (If you've ever used Rescue Remedy, it is also a flower essence. Your doctor might be an exception, but I find most are not terribly knowledgeable about alternative remedies. I have not heard of anyone on here using Hornbeam before. Here are what a few books say about Hornbeam:

HORNBEAM (CARPINUS BETULUS)

From Flower essence Repertory:
Hornbeam - Carpinus betulus (yellow/green) - English
Positive qualities: Energy, enthusiasm, involvement in life's tasks
Patterns of imbalance: Fatigue, weariness; daily tasks seen as an overwhelming burden
The soul makes unlimited reserves of energy available to the body; unfortunately, these are seldom tapped to their full potential. At the soul level, energy is produced not by calories or fuel, but by full attention and positive connection to one's work or life tasks. Those individuals who experience monotonous routine, or lack genuine interest or involvement in their work, can feel extreme tiredness and exhaustion completely out of proportion to the real capacity of the physical body. The Hornbeam essence re-orients the soul so that it can freshly perceive work or habits which may have become overly dull or routine. Hornbeam sometimes brings an inner realization that a new approach or new lifestyle is necessary to completely recapture one's full energy. Above all, Hornbeam nourishes the soul with renewed strength and vitality so that it may live more effectively and more joyfully in the world.
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From Master’s Bach Flower Remedies:
"MONDAY MORNING" FEELINGS
Weariness-mental fatigue.
Doubts strength to face or to cope but usually accomplishes.
Convalescents doubt strength to recover.
Tiredness through self-preoccupation.
The remedy for 'Monday morning' or 'Morning after'
The Remedy that gives strength to those who feel weary in mind and body, and cannot cope with things of the moment.
This remedy gives emotional strength to those who cannot face the day ahead or cannot be enthusiastic about some project or duty which they should attend. It is not due to exhaustion or tiredness from overwork, but is rather a mental weariness at the thought of what lies ahead. It causes procrastination and letharygy so the work which is once a pleasure becomes a chore. It is however. like the familiar 'Monday morning feeling" and once work has begun and the days routine is in progress, the feeling disappears.
Symptoms may include predominant fatigue, lassitude, inclination to lie in bed in mornings, feel they cannot face the burden of the day.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~From Boedler’s Bach Remedies:
Natural History:
DOCTRINE OF SIGNATURES: As the remedy invigorates and strengthens mind and body, so does the tree have exceptionally durable and tough wood, akin to a "horn"; the wood actually has a whitish appearance and resembles a horn when polished. It lends itself to the manufacture of tool handles and other durable wooden articles. In comparison, the remedy Hornbeam enables one to use one's "tools" more efficiently; it enlivens and brings forth the best physical fiber and most invigorated consciousness to apply to one's tasks. Despite being tough, however, this wood can be bent into sturdy arches and frames, suggesting the flexibility and lack of harshness of a clear mind and toned-up body.
On looking closely at the foliage, catkins, and flowers, one notices their droopy or relaxed nature, their apparent lack of fiber, hinting at the fatigued mind and body in need of this remedy.
Hornbeam helps to take life by the "horns," to move forward into accomplishment. It sends a "beam" of light into the mind.
METHOD OF PREPARATION: Collect twigs with both male and female flowers; the males are the catkins, whereas the females are smaller and actually look more like flowers and grow at the end of the twig. Boil for half an hour, strain the water and use as medicine.

PHYSICAL TENDENCIES: Lethargy in mind and body, which may seem like a mild depression in some cases, often accompanies the Hornbeam state. The remedy can be of service after head injuries when power of concentration is diminished and fatigue sets in readily (cf. Scleranthus, Mustard, Wild Oat).
In brain dysfunction due to physical causation, as in organic mental syndromes and disorders, and in retardation, Hornbeam can help restore maximum clarity of consciousness within the physical limitations.
A chronic Hornbeam state may lead not only to physical fatigue but also to reduced interest in living a healthful life, with subsequent loss of overall vitality (see Wild Oat).

The remedy Hornbeam, together with Cerato, Scleranthus, Gentian, Gorse, and Wild Oat, belongs to Bach's group of “For Those who Suffer Uncertainty”. These remedies help those suffering from lack of certainty or strength of purpose in their daily affairs. Specifically, Hornbeam treats a mind not fully invigorated and lacking clarity of focus.
MIND: The mind in need of Hornbeam is fatigued and listless, and the body may feel this lethargy as well. One has to use willpower and push oneself to work, and still the mind may feel dull or lacking in power of concentration.
Due to fatigue, avoidance of work and procrastination may occur. Work does not appeal; one feels lax in fiber, thinking that one needs strengthening before duties can be fulfilled joyfully and with ease. It is as if the mind is not fully connecting with or seizing the tasks at hand; brightness of concentration and devotion is diminished.
There is no deep-seated exhaustion, however; and one usually manages well, once one has mustered strength and willpower.
This remedy is of value in study and school settings, or whenever prolonged mental work is called for. It will revitalize mental powers of clarity and concentration and give perseverance. It is of service in developmental disorders, learning disabilities, and retardation (cf. Chestnut Bud, Mustard, Wild Oat).
EMOTIONS: Emotions center around the fatigue, and one copes with
listlessness, frustration, temporary feelings of being overwhelmed, lack of interest, boredom, mild depression, and occasional resentment and unkindness. One is more prone to be irritable and may be less inclined to be of assistance or do extra work for others, mostly because one needs the extra strength for oneself.
There are lighter Hornbeam cases, when one feels fairly well but lacks some invigoration or internal strengthening so that tasks are tackled more joyfully.
GOAL OF THERAPY: To give alertness, brightness of consciousness, help with learning and task fulfillment. To invigorate mind and body.
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From Murphy’s Home Remedy Guide:

Lethargy in mind and body, often accompanies the Hornbeam state. Which may seem like a mild depression in some cases. The remedy can be of service after head injuries when power of concentration is diminished and fatigue sets in readily (Scleranthus, Mustard, Wild Oat). This remedy is of value in study and school settings, or whenever prolonged mental work is called for. It will revitalize mental powers of clarity and concentration and give perseverance. It is of service in developmental, learning disabilities and retardation, (Chestnut Bud, Mustard, Wild Oat).
In brain dysfunction due to physical causation, as in organic mental syndromes and disorders and in retardation, A chronic Hornbeam state may lead not only to physical fatigue, with a devitalization of the body, (see Wild Oat). Avoidance of work and procrastination may occur due to fatigue. Work does not appeal, one feels lax in fiber.

MIND - The mind in need of Hornbeam is fatigued and listless and the body may feel this lethargy as well. One has to use willpower and push oneself to work and still the mind may feel dull or lacking in power of concentration.
Emotions center around the fatigue and one copes with listlessness, frustration, temporary feelings of being overwhelmed, lack of interest, boredom, mild depression and occasional resentment and unkindness. One is more prone to be irritable and may be less inclined to be of assistance or do extra work for others, mostly because one needs the extra strength for oneself.
SOURCES - Bach.



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14 years 7 months ago #12732 by anda2208
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Hello. You had advised about papaya leaf to raise platelets. Can you further advise what you are talking about. I'm new to this website and my son has ITP. Thank you.
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14 years 7 months ago #12733 by anda2208
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Hello Madridista. I have never heard about papaya leaf extract. Can you please explain more?
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14 years 7 months ago #12745 by Madridista
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Hi Anda,
I tried papaya leaf extract a bit before i had ITP. The thing was that i was intially diagnosed with dengue so i tried the papaya leaf extract then and as far as my tests showed it seemed to raise platelets. I am not too sure if it works for ITP cause i have not tried it after that since i was on other treatments. It is basically taking the leaves of the papaya tree and making a pulp of it and drinking it. Hopefully the write up below could give you a better insight


Dengue Fever Remedy


I would like to share this interesting discovery from a classmate's son who has just recovered from dengue fever. Apparently, his son was in the critical stage at the ICU when his blood platelet count drops to 15 after 15 liters of blood transfusion.

His father was so worried that he seeks another friend's recommendation and his son was saved. He confessed to me that he gave his son raw juice of the papaya leaves. From a platelet count of 45 after 20 liters of blood transfusion, and after drinking the raw papaya leaf juice, his platelet count jumps instantly to 135. Even the doctors and nurses were surprised. After the second day he was discharged. So he asked me to pass this good news around.

Accordingly it is raw papaya leaves, 2pcs just cleaned and pound and squeeze with filter cloth. You will only get one tablespoon per leaf. So two tablespoon per serving once a day. Do not boil or cook or rinse with hot water, it will loose its strength. Only the leafy part and no stem or sap. It is very bitter and you have to swallow it like "Won Low Kat". But it works.

*Papaya Juice - Cure for Dengue*

You may have heard this elsewhere but if not I am glad to inform you that papaya juice is a natural cure for dengue fever. As dengue fever is rampant now, I think it's good to share this with all.

A friend of mine had dengue last year. It was a very serious situation for her as her platelet count had dropped to 28,000 after 3 days in hospital and water has started to fill up her lung. She had difficulty in breathing. She was only 32-year old. Doctor says there's no cure for dengue. We just have to wait for her body immune system to build up resistance against dengue and fight its own battle. She already had 2 blood transfusion and all of us were praying very hard as her platelet continued to drop since the first day she was admitted.

Fortunately her mother-in-law heard that papaya juice would help to reduce the fever and got some papaya leaves, pounded them and squeeze the juice out for her. The next day, her platelet count started to increase, her fever subside. We continued to feed her with papaya juice and she recovered after 3 days!!!

Amazing but it's true. It's believed one's body would be overheated when one is down with dengue and that also caused the patient to have fever papaya juice has cooling effect. Thus, it helps to reduce the level of heat in one's body, thus the fever will go away. I found that it's also good when one is having sore throat or suffering from heat.

Please spread the news about this as lately there are many dengue cases. It's great if such natural cure could help to ease the sufferings of dengue patients.

Furthermore it's so easily available. Blend them and squeeze the juice! It's simple and miraculously effective!!