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15 years 2 weeks ago #8265 by dagus
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has anyone had a bone marrow transplant for their itp? just wanted some info on it- the procedure, risks, success rate? any info would be greatly appreciated. also- do you know any where else i can get info about it? thanks!!
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15 years 2 weeks ago #8268 by Angel85
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I haven't, but that's what my doctor and I are currently looking into. I don't have ITP, but have something called T.A.R syndrome Which is thrombocytopenia with absent radius. I have had tissue typing and an just waiting for a match to see if we should look into it any further. I have been told that u need chemo to kill of your bone marrow and the biggest risk is graft vs host disease where the donor bone marrow rejects your body and you could become quite sick, even terminally ill with it. I have been reserching on the net, so that's probally a good place to start.
15 years 2 weeks ago #8269 by
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I was involved with a group of leukemia patients 4yrs ago. BMT's were commonplace in someone who'd had leukemia. They have percentages of what they say is "successful" but they generally go no further out then someone surviving 5yrs. Of the 20 or so people who had BMT's in the two year period I was involved with them, 10 died in varying stages of transplant, 5 had severe graft vs. host disease (meaning it completely interrupted their lives) and 5 were still in the hospital being treated and struggling horribly when I left the group. Of the ones who died, they died usually of infection or organs that could not handle the damage from the chemo. I realize this is not scientific percentages, but like reviews of a product, real life people reviews are almost always a better indicator of the product being advertised then what consumer reports says.

I suppose you should address the issue of, "would you be satisfied with a 5yr survival rate?" Especially if the disease you do have can be lived with. Just a thought.

Have you considered homeopathy? It's quite successful at treating underlying illnesses.

Best wishes,

patti
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15 years 2 weeks ago #8270 by Sandi
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A bone marrow transplant is a very drastic way to go for ITP. The risks may be greater than the ITP itself. As far as I know, it's never been done with any members here.

There is a woman on this board who had a bone marrow transplant for Lupus; she also had ITP and APS. She was in very serious condition for months. It was a very long haul. Maybe she will respond to this and tell her experience.
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15 years 2 weeks ago #8272 by Kim
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I'm the women Sandi is talking about -- I had a stem cell transplant for lupus, ITP, APS and vasculitis, so it well beyond ITP alone, although there are transplant patients who have ITP as their only autoimmune disease.

As Sandi mentioned, it can result in serious complications, some very unexpected, even by the transplant doctor who pioneered the procedure.

I had my transplant at Northwestern hospital in Chicago, by the doctor who performed the very first procedure for a lupus patient, with severe lung involvement. She is in remission still and her transplant was in 1998.

My transplant was an autologous transplant (my own stem cells). They harvest the cells, zap your immune system, hoping to "reboot" it and eliminate the memory cells responsible for producing the autoantibodies. The stem cells are not the treatment, it's the high doses of a combination of chemo drugs. The stem cells are for rescuing you from the brink of death. After the chemo drugs, you're left with no immune system, no platelets, and very low red blood cells, so you are sustained on transfusions, until your bone marrow starts making cells. I was sustained on transfusions for almost 3 weeks, began having reactions to the multiple transfusions of platelets, until finally I could sustain over 10,000 platelets. That was while still receiving high doses of prednisone, as I did not respond to the transplant quickly. In fact, it took me a year to get a count of 100. I had begun to think it was a failure at about 9 months and I was still only at 30-40k platelets, with 30mg of prednisone. Apparently I had a great deal of circulating autoantibodies and even all the chemo drugs do not eliminate the circulating autoantibodes. I had no idea if I had a failed transplant, or I had an abundance of circulating autoantibodies and the months of waiting are extremely frustrating.

The most severe post transplant complication I had was Ebstein Barr Virus, which reemerged post transplant. When this happens without an immune system, it develops into post transplant lymphoma and 80% of transplant patients who get this, don't survive. I count myself extremely lucky, since I had a severe case of lymphoma, which destroyed my stomach, my kidneys shut down and I had viral menigitis and was intubated for several days. The treatment for lymphoma is rituxan, but I had a reaction to rituxam when I had it for my autoimmune disease. There was no choice but to use it, or die not using it, so my husband had to make the choice to treat the lymphoma with rituxan. Thankfully it worked and they were able to manage any reaction with a combination of drugs and since I was intubated, they could control my breathing, heart rate, etc.

I spent months in the hospital, weeks in inpatient rehab and months in out patient rehab. It was a long journey, but I am in remission and have been for 3 years. I had the procedure in April of 2007, taking one year to get a normal platelet count.

I choose transplant not because of ITP, which was severely refractory and I did not respond to any treatment I had, unless I took 50-60mg of prednisone a day to get my counts up to 50k. I also had APS and clotted often, even with counts at 10-20k, even on blood thinners I would clot. I had multiple DVT's PE's and 2 strokes. I also had vasculitis and began having kidney involvement with repeated protein spills.

I'm not clotting anymore, APS is negative, no vasculitis and platelets are 200k, so it was a success so far. There are no gaurentees, as I still have symptoms of autoimmune disease, I still take 10mg of prednisone, I have skin rashes and suffer from hives and itching. I have joint pain and fatigue, suffer from fibromyalgia, more severe now then prior to transplant. I don't know if transplant contributed to the increase in fibromyalgia pain, due to the clots I've had I have pretty severe neuropathy in my legs and feet, so it might all be connected with all the damage done to my body from the repeated blood clots.

There are other risks and the EBV was a huge surprise to the doctor, in all the patients he has performed the procedure and others across the country, EBV reactivating has never happened, so they didn't even know what was going on when I presented with the symptoms I had. It took them a week to figure out I had a virus and then they thought it was CMV, yet I tested negative to that, so finally they figured out it was reactivated EBV. As far as I know, this has not happened again, but there are other risks of suppressing the immune system to the degree they do for the procedure. There are long term risks too, of secondary cancers, so it's not a treatment to be taken lightly.

With any treatment, the success rate is limited -- when I had mine they gave me a 50% success rate, with no garentee that if I experienced a remission, it would last, if it did, they have no idea how long, as each patient is different and as with any treatment for autoimmune disease, you just don't know.

If you would like a copy of the clinical trial write up and other information I received in 2007, I'd be happy to email it to you. I'm pretty sure I still have it. If you want the name and number of the doctor at Northwester, I can provide you with that too and the clinical nurse in charge of patients. She would be able to help you decide, help determine if you would qualify and explain everything to you.

It's not cheap and generally most insurance companies will not cover it. I was lucky to have an extremely good insurance policy. They approved the treatment, but then tried to refuse it when I had the major complications, which ended up costing them way more then they expected it to cost. My bills probably ran 1 million or more and generally the cost of transplant is about 150,000 - 200,000. While I was on the ventilator they pulled coverage and my husband had to deal with that too. It was a nightmare for my family. We had to get an attorney, who specializes in insurance law and it took us 3 years to get it all paid. It was a nightmare to deal with this on top of trying to get well. If not for this amazing attorney, from Advocacy for Patients, who helps patients with chronic illness and does it for free, we would have lost everything.

Would I do it again -- No, not with knowing all we went through, although my husband says he would, because he has his wife home, more then in the hospital and he's not rushing me to the emergency room 10-20 times a year with another blood clot or a GI bleed. Prior to transplant I had to have blood thinners, or I would just keep clotting, but with platelets that would not respond to treatment, I had chronic GI bleeds, so I was sustained on iron and blood transfusions, with severe anemia almost all the time. I have an enlarged heart, bad lungs and other problems from the chronic anemia and the blood clots in my lungs have caused pulmonary hypertension, although now it's stable and has not increased and prior to transplant it kept increasing and I was nearing the need for oxygen treatments. So, I guess I can see why my husband says he'd do it again and I guess I'd consider it. It's so hard to say yes or no in retrospect, but I think because my husband is in the medical field and is a little better emotionally equipped to manage the hospital environment and doctors, it might make it a little easier on him. I was and still am completely fed up with medical procedures, hospitals, labs, and doctors, I don't think I'd have the ability to go through it ever again, nor do I think I could manage coming out of remission and feel I'd probably sink into a depression. I'm finally feeling a bit past the fearful "I'm going to come out of remission" stage and I'm not thinking about it daily anymore, so I guess I'll get to the point I can go several days, or maybe even weeks without thinking about coming out of remission. With each passing month, it gets better.

Hope that helps. If there's any more questions you have, let me know. I also have a carepage I kept during transplant, which is still active and you are free to read through my posts there, for a day by day descriptions of what went on.

Kim
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15 years 2 weeks ago #8274 by Sandi
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Thanks Kim. It sure was a very scary few months and I wondered if you'd make it. Every time I read the updates I would just cry. You're feistier than ever and I am sooooo happy I still have my friend! (Now you have to get that next conference in Ohio)
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15 years 2 weeks ago #8282 by server
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wow! that's some kind of story! I believe you're stronger than I would be! Wow! I'm glad your doing well and keeping a positive outlook.

Sandi....conference in Ohio? Where? When? I live in Ohio, I wanna go!

My flesh and my heart may fail, but God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever.
Psalm 73:26
Blessings,
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15 years 2 weeks ago #8283 by alaventure
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Kim,

You are an amazing woman! I am glad to read that you are doing well after all that you have been through.

Amy
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15 years 2 weeks ago #8290 by donswife48
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Kim, I've read some of your other posts where you mentioned having autologous transplant so casually and I've wondered why this wasn't considered a treatment if would result in a permanent cure. Now I know why. You havae certainly earned your relief from ITP symptons, and I hope you will continue to have success. Wow, thanks for sharing your story. PS, I wonder if you're written up in any journals as a case subject?
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15 years 2 weeks ago #8299 by Kim
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I have no doubt I'm written up in medical journals, as the transplant was experimental clinical trial for a patient with the combination of autoimmune diseases I had. The EBV just adds a great twist to the exciting story.

What I find helpful in dealing with the memories of the transplant gone off course, it that first, I'm in remission. Second, the clinical trial involves 5 years of a close watch of my immune system, so in the event I do relapse, they are watching my immune system as it grows back, if it develops progressive ITP, or lupus, or APS, they will have some great science and maybe it will help them see why an immune system goes out of control, why it looses the ability to recognize it's own tissues.

Thanks everyone for such kind words. I don't think I deserve them for just being lucky enough to live through it, although I think it's taught me a great deal. I'm not sure if it's any different then any other treatment managed, because for each of us, the new world of ITP, the continued treatments, new emotions to manage in dealing with a chronic illness; it basically all the same stamina and strong will to keep chugging along. We all know things can certainly be far worse, we can think about what we deal with and we don't have far to look to see someone with far worse.
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15 years 2 weeks ago #8303 by Sandi
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I don't know, Kim. Your story sure puts things into perspective. Managing refractory ITP can be tough enough without adding blood thinners and clotting to the mix. I don't know how you did it all those years. I think you're the reason I panicked when I found out I had APS antibodies because I thought the same thing would happen to me. So far, so good though. ITP and APS can be a nightmare and I do think you are Wonder Woman (just take the darn title).

Gretchen - I don't know if there will be a conference in Ohio....I just keep throwing it out there so it might be considered. I've never been to one.
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Good to see you Kim! I well remember the days of going to your CaringBridge site in hopes of good news - you do amaze me!
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15 years 2 weeks ago #8311 by Michelle
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I really have no information to add to this topic, but I couldn't resist telling Kim -

I found myself holding my breath as I was reading your story - yet you tell it just as cool as a cucumber.
I cannot imagine going through all that you went through - and I am hoping for remission for you until the end of your days.

You took my breath away - thank you so much for sharing.
-Chelle
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15 years 2 weeks ago #8420 by Bunnie
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I attended the "cytopenias" program for medical professionals continuing education in San Diego 2 years ago. They are doing more and more stem cell transplants and it's an option they offer senior citizen patients that wasn't available before. I have a 60+ friend who is in remission with non-Hodkins lymphoma and it's the option they offer if he has a reoccurance since the chemo that put him in remission has caused heart damage.

My sister has a different blood disorder that involves the bone marrow and she participated in a large study at the Huntsman Cancer center in Utah. When she went in after they had drawn the blood work,the first doctor she saw was a surgeon and really thought she should consider the stem cell transplant and scared her and her husband badly. We have a cousin who married a pediatric oncologist and my sister turned to him for some input. He did his residency in the Seattle where they have one of the premier transplant centers. It does mean weeks and possibly months of isolation or avoiding people. He said it could take a year to 18 months to reistablish the immune system and that all the concerns that Kim listed are things to consider. Fortunately for my family, the follow-up visit with another doctor in the study group and her own hemotologist did not think that my sisters symptoms were severe enough to go the transplant route.

As with all treatment options, its definitely a personal decision that needs to be wieghted with your quality of life and family impacts. Kim and her husband are truely strong and made that tough decision, but it wasn't an easy journey with her additional complications. I'm with Sandi she needs to take the title!

"I am an old man and have known a great many troubles, but most of them have never happened.\" — Mark Twain\\\\\\"Worry is a misuse of the imagination.\" — Dan Zadra
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15 years 1 week ago #8433 by julia
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Wow Kim it's hard to believe its 3yrs ago! I still remember rooting for you and checking in every day to hope you had improved. I was just joining the site when you were going through it. It was so scarey from here god only knows what you and fam were going through!
Please don't take this lightly and research carefully think about it before going any further.
Julia