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14 years 11 months ago #9101 by HSheppard
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Well, I received the printed copy of the bloodwork I had done two weeks ago. And I noticed that while my T4 levels are normal (13.4), my TSH levels were extremely low (0.09). I have also had two episodes of a 12-hour fever (101 degrees) in the past six weeks and my platelets tanked after both insances.

I was speaking with my Hemo about everything yesterday evening and she is quite intrigued with it all. She is supposed to speak with an internist today and let me know what he/she advises us to do. Oh, the adventures... There's never a dull moment, that's for sure!

Does anyone know the standard treatment for a hyperactive thyroid and could it be connected to the ITP?

Blessings,
Hauna
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14 years 11 months ago #9108 by youngjoan
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I believe the standard treatment for a hyperactive thyroid is to turn off some of it via drugs or surgery. But....before you do anything, please be sure you really do have an overactive thyroid or some other issue that's causing the TSH to be off. The TSH level is just one of many ways to measure thyroid activity. Be sure to get all the thyroid tests done before making a treatment decision.

I personally have practically no TSH, but my other thyroid levels are fine. A few years ago, I went to some doctors who only looked at the TSH and subsequently reduced my synthroid dose to a level that was way too low for me in an effort to get the TSH where they thought it should be. Note that my thyroid was removed many years ago and I've been struggling to find the right synthroid level since.

Mary Shomon has written some interesting books on thyroid disease.

Good luck to you.
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14 years 11 months ago #9110 by Sandi
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Hauna:

Yeah, you need further testing. They will need to do a T4 and thyroid antibody tests. Sometimes a T3 is helpful too. Do you have a goiter at all? Any symptoms?

Treatment depends on the cause. That varies depending on the other results.

There are some theories that thyroid disorders can cause thrombocytopenia. I wouldn't bet all of your horses on that at this point though.
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14 years 11 months ago #9118 by HSheppard
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We are in the VERY preliminary stages of this. The doctor that requested this lot of bloodwork is not my regular doctor and he didn't even pick-up on the low TSH. He saw that the Free T4 was in the normal range and said, "You're thyroid is find." It's only when I got a good look at the results myself that I noticed how low my TSH was.

I'm doing my homework, and my hemo is checking with an internist to see what the next step is. I expect to hear from her on Monday. I also had an appointment scheduled with my regular family doctor to discuss the recurring fever, so I'll bring these test results with me to keep him in the loop. He's an extremely thorough doctor, and I expect him to order a whole gauntlet of tests when I see him next week.

I do not have a goiter and I would not have asked a doctor to run the test based on signs or symptoms of a thyroid problem. But, now that I'm looking into it, there are some minor things that could be attributed to a thyroid problem. Isn't that always the way?! Based on what I've been reading, this thyroid issue may be secondary to a pituitary problem.

Right now we're just on an exploratory mission to find out what in the world is going on. And, you know me, I'm not going to jump into any treatment, especially one that cannot be discontinued/reversed (i.e. destroying/removing organs).

Thank you both for you advice. I'll be sure to keep you posted as we uncover this new mystery.

Blessings!
Hauna
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14 years 11 months ago #9121 by Sandi
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Hauna:

Look at Subclinical Hyperthyroid. That is where the TSH is low, but the T4 is normal. If you fit the criteria with other test results, usually no treatment is necessary.

www.aafp.org/afp/2002/0201/p431.html

I researched this a lot when my daughter was diagnosed with Graves. She didn't meet the criteria though because her T4 was not in normal range.
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14 years 11 months ago #9127 by RodgerMac
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Sandi do you have a link to some of the theories about thrombocytopenia and thyroid disorders. Although my thyroid falls bearly in the normal range 4.78, my thrombocytopenia never hit really low levels either (20k) before we treated with predisone and ultimely with rituxan. I would just like to read up on it and possibly talk with my doctors about it.
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14 years 11 months ago #9129 by Sandi
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ITP (Idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura) is a disorder of blood platelets, a circulating fragment of blood cells responsible for ensuring that our blood coagulation system responds appropriately to blood vessel injury by helping blood clots form. When the levels of platelets become abnormally low, or when platelets don't work properly, the risk of bleeding may be increased. Patients with ITP often have circulating antibodies directed against their platelets, in a manner analogous to patients with Graves' disease (GD) that have antibodies directed against their thyroid gland. Both ITP and Graves' disease are autoimmune disorders, and the precise reasons why some immune systems produce these antibodies remains unclear. Nevertheless, patients with GD have a slightly increased risk of developing ITP, and conversely, patients with ITP will have an increased risk of developing autoimmune thyroid disease. There does not seem to be a consistent relationship between progression of ITP and treatment of GD Variable presentation of thrombocytopenia in Graves' disease. Arch Intern Med. 1982 Aug;142(8):1460-4.) although in some instances, treatment of the hyperthyroidism will be associated with improvement in platelet counts. See Graves disease associated with autoimmune thrombocytopenic purpura. Arch Intern Med. 1997 May 12;157(9):1033-6.

www.mythyroid.com/diseaseassociations.html

The literature regarding an association between thyroid disease and immune thrombocytopenic purpura (ITP) suggests that autoimmune thyroid disease is a frequent finding in patients with ITP. A strong association between other systemic autoimmune diseases and autoimmune thyroid diseases is also well documented. Therefore, the combination of autoimmune thyroid disease and ITP could reflect a more significant defect in the immune self-tolerance of these patients compared with those who have primary ITP alone. Such defects may characterize an ITP patient population as more refractory to standard ITP therapy. Screening patients for antithyroid antibodies would identify a patient population at greater risk of developing overt thyroid disease. These patients may be further screened with a thyroid-stimulating hormone assay to detect subclinical thyroid disease.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19932432

The classic features of excess thyroid hormone (thyrotoxicosis) are nervousness, trouble sleeping, shakiness, rapid heart beat, increased appetite, weight loss (or sometimes weight gain), and increased perspiration. In Graves' disease these symptoms and signs are associated with goiter (enlarged thyroid gland), occasionally with exophthalmos (eyes that protrude from their orbits), and rarely with pretibial myxedema (painless raised nodules on the shins and tops of feet). Obvious physical changes include fine skin and hair, shakiness, rapid pulse, nails that separate from the finger, muscle weakness, fast reflex relaxation, possibly an enlarged spleen, and often fluid retention, especially in the extremities. Patients with Graves' Disease may also have other autoimmune diseases such as pernicious anemia, diabetes, vitiligo (patchy loss of skin pigment), autoimmune ovarian failure, or autoimmunity to platelets (ITP).

home.rica.net/deecee/symptoms.htm

The diagnosis of ITP is based principally on the history, physical examination, complete blood count, and examination of the peripheral smear, which should exclude other causes of thrombocytopenia. Further diagnostic studies (see Table 7) are generally not indicated in the routine work-up of patients with suspected ITP, assuming that the history,
physical examination, and blood counts are compatible with the diagnosis of ITP and do not include atypical findings that are uncommon in ITP or suggest other etiologies. Patients with risk factors for HIV infection should be tested for HIV antibody. Bone marrow aspiration is appropriate to establish the diagnosis in patients over age 60 and in patients considering splenectomy. Additional testing is also generally unnecessary, and sometimes inappropriate, when performed on a routine basis to establish the diagnosis before splenectomy or to evaluate patients who have not responded to glucocorticoid therapy and splenectomy (see Table 7). Preoperative thyroid function testing is appropriate to rule out occult hyperthyroidism or hypothyroidism before elective splenectomy.

bloodjournal.hematologylibrary.org/cgi/reprint/88/1/3.pdf
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14 years 11 months ago #9133 by Sandi
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Rodger:

I should have mentioned that the reference range for thyroid levels has changed, but many doctors and labs are not using the new levels as a guide:

The new guidelines, however, the range for acceptable thyroid function, and thyroid treatment should be considered for patients who test between the target TSH levels of 0.3 to 3.0, a far narrower range.

thyroid.about.com/cs/testsforthyroid/a/labs2003.htm
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14 years 11 months ago #9142 by RodgerMac
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Thanks Sandy I printed a lot of that out. Looks like my PCP and I have a lot to talk about. Thanks again
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14 years 11 months ago #9150 by HSheppard
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I saw my family doctor (GP) yesterday. He's a little freaked out with the recurring fevers of unknown origin and the fact that it makes my platelets drop like a rock each time it hits. My hemo, on the other hand, has been speaking with the endocronologist and they've decided to follow my bloodwork for a couple of months and see where it goes. This could very well be the preliminary stages of a hyperactive thyroid, but at this point we simply don't know. I'm OK with that. I am also happy to report that my platelts have jumped 22K in the past week. That's much more exciting than than the 122K drop they did the week before!

Thanks for all the help Sandy! I like to go to my appointments armed with as much information as possible. You've been such a blessing!

Hauna
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14 years 11 months ago #9151 by Sandi
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Good Luck, Hauna. Let me know how things are going.