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just diagnosed with itp and i have many questions

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14 years 6 months ago #13965 by destinygreenfield
just diagnosed with itp and i have many questions was created by destinygreenfield
Hi my name is des and I was just diagnosed with itp. My platelet count was 1,000 when
I came to the hospital and I have had 3 platelet transfusions. I'm 23,
married and have two young children, 18m and 3. This is all extremely scary
And counfusing to me. I have some questions so I would really appreciate
Any answers.

What drugs will I most likely take and for how long?
If my itp goes away will it come back every time I get sick?
They said its an autoimmune disease, so will it be this severe every time?
How will I know when my platelets are low before they get severely low?
I'm going to receive ivig, are there any side effects?
Should I get a bone marrow biopsy?

Just to add a little more information, this all started about 3-4 weeks ago after getting
A bad stomache flu and then I noticed more bruises and heavier bleeding and I
Thought I was anemic but the bruising was getting extreme to where if I barely bumped
Something I got a huge swollen bruise so I went to the ER as my insurance is being
Transfered from another county bc I just moved. When I came I had an ekg done which was
Normal and then a few blood tests which showed extremely low platelets that they
Said could kill me so they hospitalized me and here I am. When I ask them questions they
Don't tell me much so I don't know what to think. How do I know if my itp is primary
Or secondary? They said I'm going to get a drug that is like chemotherapy but
It isn't chemotherapy, what is that? I already had high dose steriods. My spleen
Looks fine. I'm happy I don't have leukimia but I'm still very confused. One day
I'm running around after my beautiful children and the next day they are telling
Me I'm close to dying. Thank you for any help or support you can provide.
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14 years 6 months ago #13968 by server
Hi Des. Deep breath! First know that ITP in itself isn't going to kill you. If you were to bang your head or something like that, there could be a few problems but we're believing that won't happen! It doesn't happen to many people at all. In fact since I've been on these boards, 1+ years, there is only one person that I know of who died from complications of ITP, and he was an older gentleman with many other health problems. That's the only one I know of. You've already done prednisone? I'm assuming it didn't work for you. Sorry. You know, I'm seeing that they aren't working for a whole lot of us! Anyway....there are many other drugs out there. I see you mentioned IVIg was next for you. It will mostly likely bring your counts up, but only for a short time. Research it, then research it some more! There's NPlate, Rituxan, WinRho, Promacta. The list is long. Research! I think you'll answer most of your own questions as you do research. The most common answer you'll find though is....everyone, every case is different. There is no set course of treatment. Nothing is routine or expected with this.

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14 years 6 months ago #13972 by SteveC
Des, glad you found this site - the people here are amazing! Some have a long history of ITP proving you can live with it. Most have had one or more of the "typical" treatments. Read the "Treatment" tab on top of the home page. All are compassionate and understanding as we've been down the path you're just starting and while that's sad, it's a blessing that this site exists to share knowledge.

My journey started similar to your's 10y ago. Healthy, I thought, until a routine physical detected low platlets (24,000). They sort of didn't believe it so called me back the next day for another CBC. That one counted 3,000 and got me hospitalized immediately. I didn't even know what a platelet was! :) The very first advise I would emphasize is what server said below - Take a DEEP breath.

ITP is a relatively rare disorder and little medical knowledge about cause or treatment or cure. The second is when the MD says your life is in jeopardy it scares the devil out of you. When they next leave you in the dark about Diagnosis and treatments it scares you even more. Those first days and weeks are a whirlwind of new and strange medical jargon, scary MD explanations and limited ability to process what you are hearing it scares us even more. That doesn't even factor in the family and loved ones who are as confused and scared, perhaps even more and sometime offer misguided "advise".

The next activity you should pursue is knowledge. Read everything here - I think it's probably the best collection of ITP knowledge for non-medical people anywhere! However that knowledge will likely overwhelm you too as you attempt to understand What it is, How to treat it and Why me!! The answer to all three are unknown. There is no known trigger, no single treatment that works for everyone and an unknown Why. HOWEVER, ITP is very livable once we get over the scary time (which may take you weeks or even months and that's OK).

You're now part of an ITP family that will share all we know, counsel when we can, explain what we have experienced and learned. What we have all learned is ITP is manageable with appropriate attention. Life will be hectic for a while until you find your acceptance and confidence but I believe you'll find it just like we all have.

Now to attempt to answer your questions:
1) The typical first Rx is prednisone. It's hard to be certain but your reference to "had high dose of steroids might have been a Pulse protocol where they administer very high doses for several days. The thinking is they might shock your immune system to reset to normal (since it's now abnormal). Like very ITP treatment, it might or might not work - there is NO way to know but steroids are the usual first Rx.

2) They might follow up with a high dose (but less than the pulse dose) of daily steroids. If they do it's for the same reason. But you'll need to "taper" of the dose by a gradual reduction of MG/day over many weeks. This site is abundant with the negative side affects of high and long duration steroids which I won't repeat here. This Rx plan also might or might not work.

3) While ITP rarely goes away in adults - it might. While we'll pray you're fortunate enough to experience that it's unknown if it will return (remember I said no one knows the ITP trigger). But that said it's unlikely to come back every time you get sick. I went 10years without a recurrence and as far as I can tell there wasn't a illness that triggered it recurrence.

4) I'm unaware of research that attempts to identify if subsequent recurrences, if any, will be as severe as your 1,000 (typically referred to as "1" with the thousand implied).

5) How will you know the severity of future recurrence. You'll soon learn there a physical signs of something called "Petechiae". It sort of looks like a rash but when you closely you can tell it isn't (read more above it above). Depending on your Insurance and MD you might have routine and periodic CBC's. You'll should ask your MD about a "Standing order" (aka on demand) CBC so you can check anytime.

6) IvIG is definitely a temporary treatment to quickly lift your counts into a safer zone. It's effectiveness also isn't guaranteed but is typically thought to work in 80% of patients. It can be repeated but like every Rx it has risks but can be repeated.

7) A bone marrow Biopsy is typically used as part of the Dx phase. ITP diagnosis is a process of elimination of other diseases because they're no single test that identifies ITP. You said they're already eliminated Leukemia and I'm not familiar enough to know different ways that can be done but the bone marrow biopsy is a common test. Don't freak out if they do, as I said ITP is a process of eliminating all identifiable diseases/disorders and when that's exhausted they conclude it's ITP.

8) you sort of asked about chemo drugs. A few chemo drugs, in much lower doses, have been found to sometimes be beneficial in controlling ITP. Again I say with no guarantee. You'll likely get tired of hearing that but what works for one doesn't work for all. Thus your treatment protocol should follow a guideline of Tier1, Tier2 and Tier3 Rx until they find something that is effective for you.

Visit again and often, Ask every question you have. We know the anxiety of ITP and many of us are on the other side of that anxiety. You can gain knowledge, you can vent but you can NOT ask a foolish question - because a foolish question doesn't exist in the world of ITP. You probably don't realize it yet but you've just joined a family of ITP'ers around the world and there's usually someone online who will answer any question you post within a few hours.

Blessings of enough...
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Joy to share with others
Strength to help the weak
Love to share with the hurting

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14 years 6 months ago - 14 years 6 months ago #13985 by Bunnie
As Steve mentioned there is enough information here to overwhelm the new person. The first piece of advise - Navigate to the Newly Diagnosed & Frequently Asked Questions section of the forum and print the Expert Advise provided by Steve(aka Gort).

The second is to understand that unless your actually working with a Hemotologist/Oncologist who has treated ITP, you will find that most primary care and emergency doctors will be far more aggressive and scare you until you have some basic knowledge about what this means long term. Once you've found your triggers, symptom thresholds and have caught your breath, you can question them and participate in the treatment protocol. Even if you don't have another acute episode, it's worth developing a relationship with the good hemo.

Depending on your family history and other symptoms, a bone marrow biopsy is no longer the difinitive diagnois tool and often isn't necessary unless there are other underlying health concerns. As Steve mentioned, it's a diagnosis of exclusion, so there is typically a couple of rounds of tests to rule out the obvious things like luekemia which would make the ITP secondary. If the first round comes back negative or inconclusive, then they draw blood for the next round. Oftem many of us have other autoimmune conditions in our family hitory or ourselves (Hashimoto's thyroiditis, Graves Disease, Rhuematoid Arthritis, and many more).

Your likely to be with us for a while, so as you'll read in Steve(aka Gort's) post, it's okay to freak for a bit, but then take that deep breath. If you have to have an autoimmune condition this one is treatable. You can live with ITP and have a full a successful life. When you need to vent or have fears you can't share with family, come on back, we've all been where your at and are here for you.

"I am an old man and have known a great many troubles, but most of them have never happened.\" — Mark Twain\\\\\\"Worry is a misuse of the imagination.\" — Dan Zadra
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14 years 6 months ago #13996 by Ann
Try reading the latest guide to ITP. bloodjournal.hematologylibrary.org/content/115/2/168.full That article will tell you about how ITP is diagnosed and what the treatments might be.

The drug they are probably talking about that is like chemo but isn't, is Rituxan (rituximab). It's given by an intravenous drip once a week for four weeks and for about 50% of people causes a remission for a variable length of time.
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14 years 6 months ago - 14 years 6 months ago #14000 by SteveC
In case you have trouble finding the advise post that Bunnie mentions just click here -> Gort's excellent advise Scroll all the way to the bottom where Sandi reposted his excellent advise

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14 years 6 months ago #14010 by destinygreenfield
Replied by destinygreenfield on topic just diagnosed with itp and i have many questions
Thank you all for your answers and support. Its greatly appreciated. All of this has been really overwhelming and difficult to digest. I'm going to meet with a hemotologist today and I have many questions to ask him. My count was at 50 yesterday so that makes me more optimistic. I feel really isolated from my friends an my family at times because its hard for them to understand how I'm feeling and its hard for me to understand how I'm feeling too. I've read almost everything on this website and I've visited other websites too. Its a lot of information so its hard for me to remember everything. Its nice to have others to talk to who have been down this road. They told me that all my other blood work has come back completely normal and that only my platelets were the ones affected so this is one way they ruled out leukimia but the hemotologist will have the last word on my diagnoses today, but the drs are pretty sure its ITP. I know all the signs for when my platelets get too low but the difficult part is seeing the little dots bc I'm covered in freckles and that's why I never noticed it before. But if I look closely its easier to see. I just want to get past all the scary stuff and get to a pointwhere I feellike I can deal with this. So far I have no other health issues so that's good and I'm just going to pray I can get through this with peace of mind.
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14 years 6 months ago #14026 by Sandi
Hi Des - ITP can be overwhelming and scary at first. We've all been there.

I'll try to answer your questions:

What drugs will I most likely take and for how long? This differs for everyone. It all depends on which meds your doctor suggests and whether or not you respond to them. You can read about all of the different treatments on the Treatment Page.

www.pdsa.org/treatments/conventional.html

If my itp goes away will it come back every time I get sick? Not necessarily. Again, this is different for everyone. You might find that your counts drop when you have a stomach virus but not when you have a cold. Your counts might drop with every illness or even go up with some. My counts did not drop every time I got sick. You could also have acute ITP, meaning it will resolve in a few weeks or months and never return.


They said its an autoimmune disease, so will it be this severe every time? Again, not necessarily. Since you are being monitored now, you may not get that low before your doctor intervenes with a treatment. I have been that low several times, but only because I chose not to treat until I got below 10. That was my choice after having ITP for a while. A lot depends on your symptoms and how your doctor reacts to your counts.

How will I know when my platelets are low before they get severely low? You will most likely be monitored carefully for a while. In time, things will slack off when you become more comfortable with it all. Low counts do not always = a medical emergency.

I'm going to receive ivig, are there any side effects? Some people have side effects and some do not. It seems like the people who receive pre-meds, have a slow drip and drink plenty of fluids have fewer complications. IVIG is a pretty temporary treatment for most, so more than likely your counts will drop again.

Should I get a bone marrow biopsy? This is a decision between you and your doctor. It is not necessary to diagnose ITP.

ITP is usually primary if they don't see any underlying reason for it. If you don't have any odd symptoms like weight loss, fevers, joint pain, etc., it is likely primary. I had primary ITP until 8 years after that diagnosis when I developed Lupus, then it became secondary.

As the others said, the drug your doctor is referring to is Rituxan. A lot of us have tried it and can answer your questions. It is not chemo, but is used to treat lymphoma as well as other autoimmune disorders.

It is very, very rare to die from ITP. Doctors who are not familiar with it can be far more concerned than doctors who are. This might make you feel better; people with ITP generally have platelets that are larger than normal, and those platelets, although few, work very well. You will be running around again with your children soon.
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14 years 5 months ago #14685 by chrislin
sorry.
i m newly diagnose with itp in jan2011.. recently had a relapse again. quite demoralising thou..

can i ask wats the difference between acute and chronic ITP?
is there anything i should be take note of other then not knocking myself forming bruises?
any restrictions on food?
does boosting immune system and platlet helps to prevent itp from reoccuring?
is there any source of books recommanded for reading?
i am confused.. how m i suppose to take care of myself??
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14 years 5 months ago #14708 by Sandi
Hi Chrislin - glad you found us.

can i ask whats the difference between acute and chronic ITP? Acute ITP usually remits in a few weeks or months. Chronic ITP is defined as ITP lasting more than 12 months.

is there anything i should be take note of other then not knocking myself forming bruises? Depending on your counts, you should not take aspirin or anything known to make platelets less sticky (fish oil, Vitamin E, etc). Depending on your counts, you should be careful with knives and glass and that sort of thing.

any restrictions on food? Not really. Some people follow special diets if they believe it will help their counts, others do not. Some people avoid foods known to make platelets less sticky, others do not.

does boosting immune system and platlet helps to prevent itp from reoccuring? No. The theory is that ITP is the result of an immune system that is too active, which is why immunosuppressants work to raise counts. Boosting it could have the opposite affect. Keep in mind that 'boosting' it and keeping it healthy are two different things.

is there any source of books recommanded for reading? The PDSA has quite a bit of information and publications. You can also read articles at www.bloodjournal.org

i am confused.. how m i suppose to take care of myself?? Some people take a healthy approach and make sure they get enough sleep, exercise, avoid stress and eat a well balanced diet. Others do nothing special and just continue on.
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14 years 5 months ago #14760 by SteveC
Chrislin - Yes ITP can and often is very demoralizing but that will pass. As you gain knowledge and realize that although there are potential serious risks, many ITP'rs live as well, and in some ways better than non-ITPers. Yes we need to be a little more aware of our health status which isn't really a bad thing! Many respond to Rx and just monitor and some accept their low counts and count their blessings instead of platelets! Now if only it were that quick and simple - but with knowledge and the advantage of time and perspective you will pass through the initial storm of diagnosis.

Just in case you haven't acquainted yourself with the basic law of ITP - What works for one doesn't mean it will work for another. Everybody's physiology elicits a unique response to treatments. That's what's hard to grasp for a while but it's proven every day here by our stories. We are used to one treatment fixes all - take some Rx and call me in 7-10 days if you're not better. Unfortunately ITP doesn't fit that model. So what do ITPers do - we define a new model. Knowledge will empower us to be active in our medical treatments by asking questions of our MD, relying on each other here for reference and generally accepting we have a disorder that we can live with.

Please post any questions you have - I'm quite sure someone here has been there & done that! You don't need to deal with ITP by yourself - we're here because we care!

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Strength to help the weak
Love to share with the hurting

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