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Rituxan frustration with side effects

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12 years 11 months ago #28516 by summerrain
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Hi All,

On September 14th and the 21st I had Rituxan infusions. A few days after the second infusion I developed what the doctor is calling serum sickness and had to be put back on Prednisone to manage the severe pain and fatigue associated with it. Although I never got a fever, I did have the chills. What was more concerning was the joint pain and swelling and being so tired that it actually hurt. I took myself off of the Pred a few days after the symptoms started only to wake up in the middle of the night with such severe swelling in my hands that I couldn't even open the bathroom door. It has now been almost three weeks since these symptoms presented and I have been off of the Pred for almost a week. My hematologist called it a serum sickness/hypersensitivity to the rituxan with a lupus like reaction. Excuse me, but wtf?

I am so frustrated. At last visit almost a week ago my platelets were at 172, so hopefully it's working. However, I have never felt this awful in my life. I still feel just terrible. I ache all over, especially in my joints, even my toes hurt, its literally every joint in my body. I'm so tired. This is just not me. I want to know if anyone has experienced this type of a reaction to rituxan and how long it took to go away? I'm not in the happiest place right now. I thought this drug would give me a shot at some type of normal after the rollercoaster itp has had me on this year. I'm off the Pred which was the treatment we had used for the past six months, which is great, and my platelets are pretty awesome, but holy moly I feel so awful. I'm upset with myself for choosing to take the drug.

My hema is going to retest me for lupus and ra, which were previously negative, but we are going to wait a bit. I really cannot handle another possible diagnosis right now. Any advice or similar stories? Thanks.

Carla
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12 years 11 months ago #28517 by eklein
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Yes several members have stories very much like yours. They will speak up soon I think. The two I'm thinking of have also had very long term remissions from the Rituxan they got before the reactions.
Erica

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Diagnosed May 2005, lowest count 8K.
4/22/08: 43K (2nd Rituxan)
10/01/09: 246K, 1/8/10: 111K, 5/21/10: 233K
Latest count: 7/27/2015: 194K
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12 years 11 months ago - 12 years 11 months ago #28518 by Sandi
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Carla:

I've had serum sickness from Rituxan - twice. Yes, it is very painful. The first time I had it, I was misdiagnosed by an ER doctor who told me that I had a virus. I kept telling him I'd been having Rituxan infusions and maybe that had something to do with the symptoms, but he didn't pick up on it. Anyway, I got about 13 months from Rituxan before counts fell and I treated with Rituxan again. I ended up with serum sickness after the first week and it was more severe the second time.

I was put on Prednisone to treat the serum sickness. It really helped with the symptoms. Funny thing is, it's been 7 years and I am still on Prednisone. I never did get back to normal after that and went on to be diagnosed with Lupus about two years later. I most likely was predisposed to it in the first place and it would have happened one day anyway.

Most people do recover from serum sickness and do not develop Lupus, so chances are you will be okay in time. I am the only one that I know of on this board who had serum sickness and ended up with Lupus. It's not Rituxan itself that caused Lupus; it was the reaction that triggered it.

You do know that you should never have Rituxan again, right? Never. I have seen some doctors push to finish the 4 infusions with patients who have had serum sickness. It's too risky and getting those four rounds in is NOT that crucial. Serum sickness is a known side effect and it's fairly rare. Unfortunately, it happens.

I've been in ITP remission since the second attempt at Rituxan. I guess that's the good news, but what a heck of a trade-off.
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12 years 11 months ago - 12 years 11 months ago #28520 by
Summer,
Here's a good article from the University of Maryland Medical Center
www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/serum-sickness-000149.htm
If you read the entire article, you will find a variety of things that can help ease your pain, many of them natural, that don't cause negative side effects. I would particularly like to draw your attention to the section on Homeopathy. The right medicine can work in a few minutes-sometimes within seconds. Of the three listed, Rhus tox or Apis would likely suit your symptoms.

April
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12 years 11 months ago #28556 by cjscheuer
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Hi All,
This is my first posting to this ITP website partly because I have been in denial and the other part of me has had a tough time wrapping my head around this. I will give you a brief history and then cover my recent month and a half. For most of my adult life I had been a blood donor and in fact, I became an apheresis donor. That's right, I donated platelets and often was asked to be a double bag donor because of my blood type and the number of platelets I produced. So you can imagine what went through my mind in July 2009 when I was being worked my for knee surgery. My pre-surgical testing had me with a platelet count of 57K, the orthopedist wanted me checked out. I saw my PMD, and my platelets were some 48K. Off to a hematologist. I was placed on a Prednisone taper starting at 80mg/day and received my first infusion of WinRho. This gave me a nice boost up to 152K in my platelets and I had my knee surgery.

Three months after surgery and my platelets were in the 180K range so I was very happy. My yearly physical had good results for 2010 provided me with good results, so ITP was out of sight and thus out of mind. However, in May 2011, while doing lawn work, I slightly banged the leaf blower off my left ankle. Nothing painful, bearly an ouch. However 3 days later the ankle was some 4 times too big and turning purple all the way around. Now I am realizing that my platelets must be low so a trip to my PMD and the hematologist and I received a call at 11:15pm on a Thursday evening, your platelet count is only 14,000. This was an all time low. ITP was back. Instead of going to the Emergency Department that night, being married to a Critical Care Nurse has it's perks, I had to see my hematologist that very next morning. In his office my platelet count was 19,000. Once again, a Prednisone taper and a long taper at that, over 3.5 months, starting at 80mg/day. I also was given 3 infusions of WinRho over the next 3 weeks. I had a great response to this in July 2009, however, this time I was slow to respond. My counts went from 19,000 to 24,000 to 39,000 to 55,000. Though they were trending up, nothing like my initial response. Now the discussions of further ITP treatments - Splenectomy vs. Rituxan. However, we decided to hold off while I was on the steroid taper. My counts definitely came up so by September 2011 my platelet count was 188,000 and by January 2012 my counts were back to 212,000. This is where I lived when I was a platelet donor but my donating days are long since over because you never know what may happen.

Now for my recent history, not wanting to believe that I now have an autoimmune disease process going on, I didn't want to think about it. You know one thing that I have come to realize about this, I do think one's peace of mind and outside stressors can play a part in this disease process. When I first learned of ITP in July 2009, I lost my brother, 45 years old to a cardiac arrest, and though life goes on, I think that this had an affect on me that I did not realize. In December 2011, we had to put my Dad on home hospice and he lived until this past September 22. It was during his last week when we had to move him into an inpatient hospice facility that I started to see random bruising. After he passed away, I checked my platelet count out. Now mind you in January 2012, I was at 212,000 and feeling great. In September 27, 2012, still feeling rather well except for bruises on my legs, nothing else bothered me. Another late night call from my PMD on a Thursday night at 11:20pm - bad news- my platelet count was 2,000, now an all time low and even my Critical Care Nurse would not allow me to stay home. Off to the emergency room and a 3 day stay in the hospital. I received a transfusion of platelets, and was put on 120mg./day of Prednisone. I am now down to 80mg/day of Prednisone. After leaving the hospital and seeing my hematologist, my platelet count was 199,000. A great response. However, short lived. Yesterday's count was 97,000.

Yesterday was my first Rituxan treatment, a 6-hour infusion. In researching all the treatment options, there really does not seem to be one real great one. The best thing I can say is try to get as much information as you can get and ask questions. Spend time with your doctor and ask the questions. Treatment options are all individualized as well. I chose Rituxan, not because I want to put medications in my system that may and can have side effects but because I am a 54 yo male who has had several abdominal surgeries in the past, I am over-weight, and the idea of taking out the spleen without reassuring odds that ITP goes away, led me to try this treatment option. I planned for the worst and yesterday made out alright. They pre-medicated me with Tylenol, Benadryl, and Hydrocortisone. I tolerated the infusion well and slept through most of the infusion. Today,the day after I have a headache and feel sluggish, tired. If this is the worst of this, I can accept it. However, a positive mind will also be a friend. I still have 3 more weeks of infusions so I will be posting weekly to share my experiences.

If I can help anyone while going through this, I will do my best. We are not alone but there appears that there are not many of us in the general population. I am very grateful that I found this PDSA website.
To all who travel this journey, please know you are not alone, there are others who share your fears, thoughts, and concerns. Stay well and look for that peace of mind whether it be in your child's smile, that special someone, your spouse, parent, friend, doctor, spiritual person, or just in a song, hobby, etc.
ITP doesn't have to be a death sentence, I know I will not let it get the best of me.
Thank you for letting me share my story.
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12 years 11 months ago #28557 by eklein
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cj,
It sounds like you are doing great. You are very well informed - and great story about your wife being a nurse so you knew you didn't have to be hospitalized that first night. And the first infusion with Rituxan is usually the most annoying in terms of side effects, after that it generally is a smooth ride for most people.

I hope you see a long remission from the treatment,
Erica

And she was!
Diagnosed May 2005, lowest count 8K.
4/22/08: 43K (2nd Rituxan)
10/01/09: 246K, 1/8/10: 111K, 5/21/10: 233K
Latest count: 7/27/2015: 194K
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12 years 11 months ago #28558 by cjscheuer
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Thanks Erica,
I will continue to post and share my experiences. Just hoping and wishing everyone good health.
Cj
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12 years 11 months ago #28565 by Nitin
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Hi cj
I too had my 4 Rituxan infusions on 14,21,28 Sep and 5th Oct.
Now waiting for Rituxan to "kick in" :) .
Before I was diagnosed with ITP (April 2012), I was a very active guy and would have medical checkups every 6 months.
Never had any major medical problems and then BOOM- ITP.
As you went through, at first I was in denial for some time. Than the "roller coaster" ride begin.
But now more or less I am at peace with ITP.
Just trying to avoid splenectomy, if I can.
Best of luck with your treatment- Nitin
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12 years 11 months ago #28568 by Sandi
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Hi CJ - just wanted to say welcome and good luck! As Erica said, if you get through the first infusion, usually the rest are smooth sailing.
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12 years 10 months ago #29204 by summerrain
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I want to thank you all very much for your replies and sharing your stories. The past few weeks have been a bit crazy. Sandi, even if I could have Rituxan again I'm not sure I would want to:). I am feeling somewhat better and my platelets at last count were 189. I'd say its working and so does my doc. It took about six weeks to see these numbers. I have been off of steroids for a good month too, so the numbers are definitely not a result of steroids. I was also tested by my hematologist for lupus and I found out today that results came back positive. Two years ago when I was tested they were negative.

Part of me is pissed about this and the other part is relieved. It puts a lot into perspective and explains my symptoms. I'm quite overwhelmed right now and have to have some further testing this week to confirm, but my doc is pretty certain that its lupus and not another connective tissue disorder. I guess I have to find a rheumatologist now. Again thank you all very much.

Carla
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12 years 10 months ago #29211 by Sandi
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Carla:

He probably did an ANA. Do you know what the titer was? Having a positive does not mean that you have Lupus, although quite a few doctors will think that you do.

The same thing happened to me. My ANA was fine for years but did become elevated eventually. I still did not meet the criteria for Lupus though and it took a few more years until I did. ITP can be a first symptom of Lupus for years before another symptom(s) show up.

There does seem to be a weird trend that ITP people who have serum sickness from Rituxan either have Lupus or develop Lupus.

Good luck and let me know how it goes!
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12 years 10 months ago #29213 by summerrain
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Hi Sandi,
She did do an ANA. The results were positive, homogeneous, with a titer of 1:320. She said its not a super high titer but that its definetely higher than low and higher than medium. My calculations tell me that result is 7 blood washes. Seems like a lot to me. It's all just very stressful. Something interesting to note is that I got a weird, scaly, red, itchy, almost pimply looking rash back in August. It is ony scalp, ears, face and chest. It's different on each part of my body. Everyone thought it was from all the Pred. I have been seeing a derm for two months with no relief in symptoms and boy do I look pretty:). I am now certain it's the Lupus. This all happened before the Rituxan treatments which started mid September. I think the rituxan an subsequent serum sickness definetely made everything flare. It's all a very frustrating guessing game.
Carla
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12 years 10 months ago #29227 by Sandi
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Carla:

My ANA titer was also 1:320 (speckled). You're right, not too high but definitely above borderline. It does sound like you might have discoid Lupus - did the dermatologist do a biopsy? If not, he should.

You could be right. I know that my serum sickness reaction triggered Lupus for me, the same way any virus or illness could. I was okay before Rituxan but after the reaction (especially the second), I was never the same.

Good luck, keep me updated!
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12 years 10 months ago #29282 by Nitin
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Hi all
I had Rituxan treatment (4th ending on 5th Oct 2012). My last count as on 8th Nov 2012 was 25k (up from 6k before treatment). Now since last few days I am getting fewer with body ache on and off; before that I was getting rashes on body. Is this signs of serum sickness?
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12 years 10 months ago #29283 by Sandi
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No, doesn't sound like it. Most people get hit hard with it and if you have it, you know something is really wrong. Joints swell and you can barely move. It feels like every bone in your body is broken; I could barely turn over in bed or hold a cup. There is fever, hives, headache. It always seems to hit at night during sleep. It's not an on and off thing - it hits hard and lasts days.

Did you have a doctor look at the rashes? It could just likely be a flu-like reaction to Rituxan which sometimes does happen.
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12 years 10 months ago #29285 by eklein
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It could also be the actual flu or a bad cold.
Erica

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Diagnosed May 2005, lowest count 8K.
4/22/08: 43K (2nd Rituxan)
10/01/09: 246K, 1/8/10: 111K, 5/21/10: 233K
Latest count: 7/27/2015: 194K
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12 years 10 months ago #29289 by Sandi
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Or, there's that!
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12 years 10 months ago #29319 by Nitin
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It indeed was a viral infection.
Nitin