Anybody tried Euphorbia hirta to increase platelet

Hi All

Anybody tried this? It seems that it increases platlet rapidly within 2-3 days.

Here is some denguecure.com/cure-testimonials/

Should I give it to my 6yrs. old daughter? She is suffering from ITP since last 6 months. Took two IVIg infusion in march and april.

Best regards,
Bulan.

Father of Avisha

Is this a homeopathic remedy? If it is, it depends on if it's the right one for your daughter. We are using homeopathy on our son (different remedy) and it's working. If a practicing homeopath gave it to you then I would use it. Yes, homeopathy is safe for a 6yr old. People give it to babies all the time.

patti

I would check with the child's doctor before giving him anything.

Sandi wrote:

I would check with the child's doctor before giving him anything.

Oh, come on! If doctors thought homeopathy worked they'd give it to their patients themselves. You're essentially telling this parent not to use it by hiding behind, "ask your doctor first." Perhaps asking him if his homeopathic doctor prescribed it would be a better way to say that. Oh wait! I DID ask that. Silly me.

Sandi, you are very hostile to anyone suggesting anything outside of what you think is acceptable. This is very sad. This poor dad is beside himself. If someone takes a homeopathic remedy that isn't for them, it won't hurt or help them. Perhaps before you say things like this you should actually study the subject. Then you might have some authority to actually speak against it.

I'm sorry. I'm hot today. :S

Euphorbia Hirta is NOT a homeopathic remedy. It is a plant. You have to boil the plant leaves for a minute and drink the water.

It is supposed to stimulate PAF and produces platelets very quickly...often within 2-3 days, platelet becomes normal.

Google Euphorbia Hirta for more and see its photos.

Patti:

Suggesting that someone ask their doctor is a very acceptable response. In my opinion, it sure beats your approval. I am not against alternative treatments, but just because you say it is okay does not mean it is.

I have studied the subject. You are not the first person here to discuss homeopathy. The thing is, every single person who believes in homeopathy seems to detest doctors. The rest of us do not detest homeopathy, only the arguments it seems to spark because you think you know it all. I've been with the PDSA for 12 years and believe me, I've seen and heard it all. I do not have a problem with alternative treatment discussions and they are obviously encouraged here. I do have a problem with you telling people what to do based on your very limited experience with ITP.

I've never once had to say this, but I am the Administrator and will decide what is acceptable here and what is not.

GuluGulu wrote:

Euphorbia Hirta is NOT a homeopathic remedy. It is a plant. You have to boil the plant leaves for a minute and drink the water.

It is supposed to stimulate PAF and produces platelets very quickly...often within 2-3 days, platelet becomes normal.

Google Euphorbia Hirta for more and see its photos.

If your child were given this by a doctor (of whatever sort) and you're comfortable with it, then it makes sense to try it. If you're working off of your own research and are unclear what its affects (or side effects) might be then it could be quite concerning to try. You have to make that judgment call as a parent.

Sandi wrote:

Patti:

Suggesting that someone ask their doctor is a very acceptable response. In my opinion, it sure beats your approval. I am not against alternative treatments, but just because you say it is okay does not mean it is.

I have studied the subject. You are not the first person here to discuss homeopathy. The thing is, every single person who believes in homeopathy seems to detest doctors. The rest of us do not detest homeopathy, only the arguments it seems to spark because you think you know it all. I've been with the PDSA for 12 years and believe me, I've seen and heard it all. I do not have a problem with alternative treatment discussions and they are obviously encouraged here. I do have a problem with you telling people what to do based on your very limited experience with ITP.

I've never once had to say this, but I am the Administrator and will decide what is acceptable here and what is not.

I actually popped back on to apologize for my harshness and frustration today. In light of your response, I guess I still stand my ground.

I did NOT give this man my "approval." What I said was if it was given to him by the doctor then he could likely trust that. Isn't that what you say? Trust your doctor? I only said it might be okay IF his doctor said it was okay. What I did tell him was that homeopathy (which he indicated this is not) won't hurt a child. That is a fact. It is used safely on infants all the time. You can verify that all over the place.

Yes, I detest doctors. I've spent enough years of my life dealing with them and hospitals that I've seen very few good ones. And after watching what they did and said with my son's ITP, they only confirmed what we knew. MD's come in two persuasions. They either think they're God or they're complete idiots. We had one hemo tell us that whatever we were doing we should continue to because it was working, but don't tell anyone she said that. Why? Why wouldn't you tell everyone you were treating that there might be something else that could help them? It might, it might not. But it couldn't hurt to try. And it won't damage their bodies to try it. Yes, I detest doctors. Especially ones like this.

I actually used to think that hospitals and doctors were at least good for trauma care. After breaking my leg and spraining my ankle recently I don't even think they're good for that anymore.

I told one parent that I would be highly concerned giving a child something that was contraindicated for the disease as well as one who had been non-responsive to therapies tried so far. That is a reasonable statement in light of the things we have learned as well. What we learned is valuable information for anyone whose been non-responsive especially.

There is page after page on this forum of people telling what drugs they took, how they worked, if they thought people shouldn't or should take them and why they thought that. But when someone comes along and says they don't think it's wise to take a particular thing and gives a specific, verifiable reason for it, you decide it must be moderated. How is that any different then anyone else saying what they learned from the drug they took?

I think I made pretty clear that what I was saying was advice and strong suggestion. Whether or not someone chooses to listen to it is their business. Isn't that what this forum is about? Sharing experiences?

And just so you know, we may be new to ITP, but not blood diseases. I have a very good working knowledge of the body, its function, healing modalities and the immune system.

You say you're not hostile to the natural but from reading your responses, it certainly comes across that you are. At least I'll be honest about my view of the medical world. Quite frankly, it was your responses that angered me enough to finally say something.

What I really don't understand, is people who have been sick for years not even being willing to try something that might, just might, heal them. It's cheap, it's easy, it doesn't ruin the body. And yet people can just toss it aside because they don't understand it. It just blows me away. I'd be standing in line saying, "fix me, please." If it worked, I'd be praising God. If it didn't, I'd be out a couple of hundred dollars as opposed to the many thousands many of us have sucked out the window to the medical community. THAT is what I don't understand. We're all entitled to trust who we want to. But to brush off people and a mode of healing that has CURED people, is unfair to others who are still looking.

Go ahead and administrate. You seem to wear the badge proudly.

Have a nice day.

Well, I am very much concerned about the health of my child and if there is any toxicity using this herb.

My mother has a bit low platelet count, but not very low. What she decided that she will do a count, take the herb for 2-3 days and after 3-4 days, another count.

Along with my mom, I and my wife also consume it to check the toxicity, if any.

If everything is OK, our health is fine, and my mom's platelet jumps dramatically as claimed, then only we shall administer the herb to my daughter.

I think this is safe approach. Am I right?

Greetings, i posted this in another thread that no one seemed to pick up. So ill post it here. I live in the Philippines and that plant grows everywhere. I happen to have some in my backyard and am currently giving to my son. Due to the rampant spread of Dengue Fever, many have sought for different remedies thru herbs and this plant unanimously stands as the most prominent one. Some doctors believe in its efficacy, others are skeptical and yet others dont want to give false hopes in the herb, warning patients that they shouldn't rely on this alone. But one thing is for certain, if there has been adverse side effects i would have heard of it by now. So far, all i hear are testimonies of the plant being the miracle cure to Dengue, especially for the poor who cannot afford a decent prophylactic procedure towards the Dengue Virus.

So i am one of those who are trying this herb, of course with the blessings of both the pediatrician and hemo, both of whom have heard of this plant. Its called Tawa tawa or Gatas gatas in the Phils, but Salingkapao in the southern parts of the country. Day 2 is today and had a bad battle with nose bleeds. But i was never counting on it to be a miracle cure to ITP, i am just hoping it will be a good supplement in the production process of precious platelets.

My son's nanny swears of its effectivity. So does the village guard, a taxi driver, and many others who had relatives with Dengue Fever. It even came out on local tv giant ABS-CBN when the outbreak of Dengue mosquitoes occured two years ago, i think.


Will update this thread if or when i get favorable results.

Hello Athos,

How do you prepare this? In some internet link, I found that this may be toxic...particularly the flowers. That may contain cyanide...below is one link..someone pointed out this:

www.istorya.net/forums/fitness-and-health/7812-cure-for-dengue-tinood-kaha-ni-2.html

check the first post by ellei. So I am thinking of discarding the flowers...only leaf and stem to boil.

Another link is: 203.94.76.60/NPDIC/npdic/Poison/PLANT-English.ppt where it is mentioned this as poison plant.

But some video on youtube (there is only one video on youtube, if you search with 'Euphorbia Hirta') I have seen an old man boiling the wole plant, and drinking the boiled water.

So, please tell me, how exactly you prepare this? Have you ever tried this on yourself? Does it give any toxic effect? And does it really increase platelet?

GuluGulu

^ Hi gulu,The link you sent me is a visayan link that i have trouble translating for it is of a diff dialect. The second link is interesting, it says its poisonous.

Many many many people here know of this plant here in the Phils and we dont know of its toxicity. But thanks, for i will look closer into your link.

How to prepare. Boil water. Place plant in the pot, boil for some more minutes. The water should be like tea with a brownish hue. They say the important part is the sap from inside the stem, its color white when you break off a stem. It has a distinct taste so i use it for lemonade to hide the taste.

Patti:

You are missing some key points along the way. You are stating that Bendryl should not be used for someone with ITP based on your experience. I have had two suspected platelet drops after taking Amoxicillin, but I have not discouraged any one from using it. Two reasons: 1) it may not affect them as it did me, and 2) my experience could have been a coincidence and there is no way to prove that it caused counts to drop. I would not blindly state that a certain drug could cause harm to everyone because it may have happened to me. I also would not state that Rituxan is a cure and everyone should use it because it has caused a 6 year remission for me. Am I cured? That is what you are saying with your treatment regimine; that it is a cure for ITP.

I have tried some unconventional treatments. Quite a few others have here as well. When I was first diagnosed, I had counts of 50 and went to an herbal store in my area. They proceeded to "diagnose" my problem and suggested liquid chlorophyll. I took it faithfully for two weeks. Within that time, my counts dropped to 8. Did I blame the chlorophyll and advise others to stay away from it? No. Personally, I believe that it didn't do anything positive or negative; my counts went down on their own. I stopped taking it and threw it away. I have also tried Glyconutrients and spent a fortune on them. In addition, I take many high dose Vitamins because my Vitamin levels are low, no matter how well I eat. Vitamins have been used and tried by many with no affect. You are not the very first person ever to think of Vitamins and try them.

If you had simply come here, told your story, and answered questions that were asked of you, things would have been fine. But you came in and began to tell people what they should and should not do. You have even gone so far as to insult and blame patients for their own illnesses by stating that they are living 'crappy' lifestyles. Those are the things that will not be tolerated; we may have welcomed a pleasant discussion regarding the story of your son.

Yes, I am very proud to be a part of this group and have spent many hours for years doing whatever I could to help. I would not say this is a "badge that I wear proudly"; I rarely, if ever, have had to interfere in a conversation that went in an inappropriate direction. I have never pointed out my status, but in this case I feel it is necessary to remind you that there are certain rules that must be followed. No. 1 - you cannot give medical advice. You can share an experience, but you can not tell someone what they should or should not take or verbally trample conventional treatments as you have.

Well said, Sandi!

Ditto!
There has been atleast one person on here in the last 3yrs hevily promoting herbal remedies, some people have taken their instructions, others take it with a pinch of salt. There is no harm or insult in that.
When there are poisonous plants involved though and people are unsure of exctly how to prepare these plants it becomes dangerous. If they did not seek medical advice first and then they, their mother and then started giving it to a 6yr old without seeking advice they could all be in serious trouble if not done in a safe way. Cyanide kills!
I believe anyone looking at doing a (herbal) treatment seek professional advice before doing it.
We have a POISON GARDEN in Alnwick Gardens in Northumberland, which is kept locked at all times because it has plants that can/will kill, many of which we wouldn't look twice at.

Julia

Sandi wrote:

Patti:

You are missing some key points along the way. You are stating that Bendryl should not be used for someone with ITP based on your experience. I have had two suspected platelet drops after taking Amoxicillin, but I have not discouraged any one from using it. Two reasons: 1) it may not affect them as it did me, and 2) my experience could have been a coincidence and there is no way to prove that it caused counts to drop. I would not blindly state that a certain drug could cause harm to everyone because it may have happened to me. I also would not state that Rituxan is a cure and everyone should use it because it has caused a 6 year remission for me. Am I cured? That is what you are saying with your treatment regimine; that it is a cure for ITP.

You are comparing apples and oranges. Amoxicillin is not a regularly dosed drug to someone who is receiving itp treatments. Benadryl and tylenol are. Both of which are known to cause low platelets. I didn't tell anyone not to take it. I told them I would use great caution if I had itp in using anything that was known to lower platelets. Because how do you know if you're one of the ones it will affect that way? You don't. So use with caution. And if someone is having treatments that aren't working, then yes, I would say investigating anything they're taking that's known to lower platelets (benadryl being a biggie) is worthy of looking at. That's not my "limited" experience. That's using my BRAIN. Which I will point out has not been damaged by drugs. You don't think if a treatment isn't working someone ought to consider that a pre-med they're taking could be counteracting it? Where is the wisdom in that? Please, share the wisdom in that?

I'm not making broad statements here. I'm suggesting people use some wisdom in using a drug known (especially because it is a pre-med so often) to aggravate the very problem they're trying to treat. You seem to be missing this point. I didn't blindly state this. I made myself very clear that it should be a point of caution. For me, I wouldn't touch anything that had the potential to aggravate something I was trying to treat. THAT, is my personal opinion. The rest is wise caution that anyone with half a brain should consider. And they can certainly choose to ignore one person's caution.

You, and others like you, seem to think I think diet and supplements will cure itp. I never said any such thing. We have fully supported our son's body using those things as methods of keeping him from bleeding (keeping his cell integrity strong). Not to heal him. I mentioned one method we were using towards actual healing of him. That's it. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I could care less what treatment people choose. But when someone comes looking for a natural alternative or anything other then what they've done and someone responds to them, the wolves come out. God forbid someone should say taking a drug might be bad for you. <gasp>

The way you act around here, the few people who really do want answers can't get them. Because anything anyone else tells them that's anti-drug is shot down as "giving medical advice." I didn't tell anyone what to take to cure their itp. I told them to find a doctor that specializes in "xyz" to help them. And if you consider sulphur for hives/itching a drug, then I'm sorry for your ignorance.

I dont understand what your problem is, this thread started off by someone asking if this was ok to give to their child and through difference of opinion it ends up in a slanging match.
This is no good to the person who asked this in the first place, and would personally make me scrap the idea.
I dont have a problem with homeopathy or medical advice, the two can go hand in hand and both can be dangerous if given the wrong treatment or you have an allergic reaction to it. My mother in law uses and has spent lots of money homeopathy etc as she thinks it's natural but it doesnt seem to have done her any good or improved her symptoms of rheum arthritis.

Julia

Patti:

What I really don't understand, is people who have been sick for years not even being willing to try something that might, just might, heal them. It's cheap, it's easy, it doesn't ruin the body. And yet people can just toss it aside because they don't understand it. It just blows me away. I'd be standing in line saying, "fix me, please." If it worked, I'd be praising God. If it didn't, I'd be out a couple of hundred dollars as opposed to the many thousands many of us have sucked out the window to the medical community. THAT is what I don't understand. We're all entitled to trust who we want to. But to brush off people and a mode of healing that has CURED people, is unfair to others who are still looking.

This is what I take issue with - the insinuation that ITP has been cured. Maybe it will be one day, and we can all breathe a sigh of relief, but at the moment, all we can do is treat it. A cure implies that once said medication has been administered, that platelets will rise, stabilise and never drop ever again - and that there's also no need to keep taking that medication, otherwise you're just treating. No more blood counts, no more haematologists, nothing. How do you stop the immune system from producing anti-platelet antibodies? I haven't the faintest idea. But THAT would be the cure. To simply raise platelet counts is not - that is merely a treatment. By all means, peddle your suggestions to us, but learn to be more subjective about it. Something that works for your son may not work for others, and something that has a disastrous effect on your son may well work very well for someone else.

patti wrote:

I'm not making broad statements here. I'm suggesting people use some wisdom in using a drug known (especially because it is a pre-med so often) to aggravate the very problem they're trying to treat. You seem to be missing this point.

Perhaps the reason so many of us seem to misunderstand you, then, is because, in fact, you have made "broad statements here," such as each of the following:

What is true is people don't want to give up their crappy diets and chemical lifestyles that have damaged their immune systems to the point of sickness. It's easier to take a drug. Trust me, it IS easier to take a drug. But it will never cure you or make your body whole again.

This forum is definitely no place for those who don't think the medical world has all the answers (or any for that matter!)

The way you act around here, the few people who really do want answers can't get them.

ALL disease is caused by some malfunction in the immune system.

Because doctors and hospitals are owned by the drug companies. No matter how you cut it.


Each of those is a quote from a post you made -- your words, not mine.

Just an observation: perhaps the reaction you are finding on this forum (and on the other forum you complained about) is not because of what you are saying, but how you are saying it. You might notice that a lot of people here (myself included) post about and discuss natural treatment methods, yet other posters do not react to we/them the way posters are reacting to you. Notice that? There are many, many posts on here about natural methods that do not degenerate into this kind of a disappointing thread. But those that you are involved in, especially recently, do. Maybe it's not what you say, but how you say it. For example, your personal attacks on Sandi are clearly misguided, and also against the forum rules.

So, anyway, I doubt you will care for any advice from me, but, here are two ways to write pretty much the same thing:

"Hey, have you thought about natural treatment methods? I am, for example, using Vitamin C for my son and, you never know, but it seems to be working. I'd be happy to tell you more about it if you like."

And then there is this, which you wrote to Sandi:

"Perhaps before you say things like this you should actually study the subject. Then you might have some authority to actually speak against it."

Do you understand why those two different posts will get two very different reactions? It's up to you. It's your credibility -- spend it how you will. But please at least ask yourself why you are getting this reaction, and not others who post about natural treatment methods. I would hope that you can become a valuable, contributing, long-term member of this forum -- I think you have something important to add here -- but that is not the path you are taking at the moment.

One other thought: here is the entire post you made just three weeks ago:

My 10yr old DS was dx with ITP on May 6th. His platelet count was 1000 at the time. I'm not new to blood diseases so I understood all of the ramifications of that. We tried IVIG, against our better judgment, twice and it didn't work either time. We tried prednisone for 4 days and he bled like a stuck pig. We didn't check to see until after we tried it that bleeding is one of the known side effects. So we are 2 1/2 months out on a watch and wait. He's been 0-2000 for just over two weeks. We use a lot of natural stuff so his cell integrity is good and he has little to no petichaie. Everything I've read online says it can take 4-6 months to heal from this. Everyone I'm reading about here has had it for years. I'm just wondering, do you know anyone who has gotten through this????? Our son has had immune suppression since his MMR shot at 14 months. He has a TON of food allergies that we know contributed to this (also caused by shots). We are slowly getting his immune system into check. I wonder, will this go away? Right now, he does live somewhat in a bubble because he is so low. Around 10k we let him walk around more and not be down much. I guess I'm just wanting to hear of anyone's child his age that actually got over this thing.

You have come a long way in only three weeks, from posting things like "do you know anyone who has gotten through this" and "everything I've read online says it can take 4-6 months to heal from this" to now posting statements like "But too many people have had success with diet, natural means, etc."

So, you might want to take it a little easy on people who don't respond to your posts as you might hope they would. People here do actually read what you write.

Anyway, this is the last time I will try to address this issue. Best of luck with your son's counts.

UPDATE:
My sons platelets are at the normal range mow after taking Euphorbia Hirta boiled water AND A LOT ELSE. There may be a lot of factors involved: he is still on 10mg Steroids which i am beginning to taper, had an ear infection, had coughs and took cough meds, took amoxiclav antibiotics for ear infection, taking wheatgrass for immune system, and his mere growing up might be his body and immune system is changing/maturing etc. In other words, too many factors involved to validate anything.

I will be conducting a separate study involving maybe myself or my nephew(both w/o ITP) who will take this herb and get counts before and after a week of taking this. We know this is not a cure for ITP, but at the very most, we are hoping this will be a significant supplement for our platelets.

Wish me luck.

Peter

Peter,

My mother did a blood count before taking this herb. Platelet count was 150,000. After taking this herb for 3 days, Platelet count becomes 170,000. She took 1 litre of boiled water each day. What she did is, boiled the herb for 1 minute and 30 sec, with the flower removed, as this may contain some toxic - as I have read on internet. Every other diet normal - no supplement.

E.Hrita might increased the platelet. May be more increase, if she had taken more water, at least 2 litre per days with boiling the herb for few more minutes, say 3-4 minutes. I don't know. But platelet did increase about 20,000 in 3 days. WBC count fell about 500 in 3 days. I don'tknow why.

Now she is doing another test. Eating oxidized apple. She started eating oxidized apple, oxidized atleast for more than an hour. She will consume for a month, one every day, and then shall do a CBC. Let's see what happens.

Bulan.

20k to me is insignificant because platelets can go up or down that much in a days time. But lets see.... i'll post my results here when done with the tests.

Yeah, I'm not convinced about the 20,000 either. That could be normal fluctuation.

My one and only post on this topic (I promise): Many parents (myself included) would have paid everything they own for a cure for their child's ITP. I thought I'd lose my mind the first year. I told friends that if they heard I'd sold out, packed up, and moved to Sweden, they'd know we'd found our cure. Folks with ITP, and especially parents of ITP kids, are vulnerable, and sellers of wares have invaded this spot many times to hawk their cures. It's easy to spend a fortune and get nowhere. I've also spent a lot of money on traditional medicine for my child, and am relieved to find that steroids and IVIG do work well for her when she really needs them. No one here thinks natural remedies should never be considered. All things do not work for all patients. It's also unfair to form a mindset that all licensed medical doctors are idiots or knowitalls. Truly, I owe my child's life and my sanity to some dear physicians who have put their patients' wellbeing over their own needs and conveniences. A local physician risked his own life to save my mother-in-law after she gave birth to my husband. For the most part, they are a devoted and selfless lot. It is also important to remember that medical doctors prescribe treatments (not "cures") which have been tested and approved after study, and which have known chemical contents and potencies. Herbal remedies, particularly homegrown or field-picked ones, have unknown potency and undocumented side effects, and are not subjected to the same regulatory scrutiny as approved drugs. To some extent, then, a parent administering an herbal or homeopathic remedy to his/her child is taking that child's life in his/her hands. That's a big gamble. By the way, I'm not anti-nature. I made the same determination against vincristine (as an ITP treatment) after studying it. I knew my kid would not be administered that treatment for ITP. Other folks have been glad to have it, but it's not for my kid.
Norma

Thank you for all your concerns.

After further research i have found out that our local BFAD(Bureau of Food and Administered Drugs) has approved the use of Euphorbia Hirta here in the Philippines. ANd it has been widely known to be used on many patients with the Dengue Fever with no side effects. The "old folk" in the provinces have been using this for decades, maybe centuries for all i know. So I dont think there are adverse side effects to this, let alone side effects remotely comparable to preds. But again, thank you for the concern. We aren't looking for a miraculous cure, only a supplement to increase our beloved platelets.

Wish me luck.

i wish u best of luck
please keep us updated with the news

I am back here after about 8 months!

By God's Grace, I was fortunate enough to consult with world famous homeopath Dr. Rajan Sankaran (just Google his name). I took my daughter to him last august.

He and his assistant doctor took a very long interview of us, including Avisha's mom. Also a very long questionnaire. The interview lasted around two hours.

Dr. Sankaran prescribed just one single homeopathic remedy to be repeated every month - just once - dosage and potency to be adjusted by them each month. He told us to STOP every other medicine including allopathic, ayurvedic, and whatever it is.

At this time her platelet count was 30,000

Homeopathy has a principle: Likes cure Likes. On administering the medicine for the first time - the symptom worsen for first few days. Then symptom started disappearing. This worsen happened for the first 3-4 months perhaps.

Then after just 4 months they almost disappear completely for permanent. Very slight and faint bruise and petechiea appears - and that too very ocassionally.

At this time, Dr. Sankaran asked me to do a blood test. I did a full CBC. By God's Grace everything became normal - platelet 160,000

I asked Dr. Sankaran, then why very faint bruise and petechiae still appears - He told, it is due to 'delayed repair of capillaries' and it will improve in time.

And that exactly happened.

May God Bless all of us,

Bulan