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ITP & Lymes

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11 years 8 months ago #43246 by curranjames
ITP & Lymes was created by curranjames
All,

My first post, I'm looking for help. I have ITP and got Lymes Disease for last 2 months. Does this impact on my count?

I had the shingles at Xmas and my count crashed after been fine for last 4 years. I have been on IVIG since Feb every 3 weeks. My counts havent stabilised and now I feel cause I have Lymes disease its impacting it.

Please help

J

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11 years 8 months ago #43248 by Rob16
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Welcome, J. I am sorry to hear all you are going through.

My understanding is that Lyme disease can cause ITP, so yes, it could impact your count. Here is an article that explores the mechanisms behind this: ispub.com/IJID/2/2/3023

Chicken Pox can cause ITP, so I suppose Shingles could as well; although I haven't heard of it, others here might have. Acyclovir, which is used to treat shingles, can rarely cause thrombocytopenia.

Have you only had Lyme disease for 2 months, or is that just how long it has been diagnosed?
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11 years 8 months ago #43249 by curranjames
Replied by curranjames on topic ITP & Lymes
Ive a long story really...

Had ITP as a child when I was 4, went away and cam back when I was in final year in college (22).. My count crashed during my exams. Had steroid treatment no big difference. after exams moved jobs. Had some treatment and then had rituximab and count stayed good for 4 years. Doctors don't think it works but I do. My counts were good 80 to 130 from 2009 to Feb this year when I had the Shingles at Xmas, since then my counts haven't recovered and I have had IVIG every 3 weeks since April. No improvement counts would go up and back down. I couldn't really figure it out, they have said I dont have much of an option but to take my spleen out which I don't want to do. I got a byte on my leg and from goggling I suspected this to be a tick bite. This was confirmed and last Friday Lymes was confirmed. I just rang my doc asking is this the reason my counts were dropping and not recovering. They said there is no link with Lymes and platlets going down!! I am now on antibiotics for Lymes and due to go back to doc for IVIG in 2 weeks. They have said they will try rituximab again but not holding any hope for it.

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11 years 8 months ago #43250 by Rob16
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A four year remission on Rituxan is pretty good. Why don't doctors think it works? If it worked before, there is a good chance it will work again. Meanwhile, repeated treatments with IVIG!?!?!?! That is a very temporary solution. Am I missing something? It sounds to me like you need new doctors!

One uncertainty: I do not know the safety or wisdom of treating with rituximab while being treated for Lyme.
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11 years 8 months ago #43251 by curranjames
Replied by curranjames on topic ITP & Lymes
Yes thats what I thought, I feel the shingles knocked me badly and haven't recovered since, and now the Lymes. I'm not having much luck! Yes IVIG every 3 weeks for the last 4 months.. I think the timing of Lynes has impacted my counts. I was trying to give me a time to recover from the Shingles and thought I would recover.

I have requested a new doctor

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11 years 8 months ago #43253 by Sandi
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Yes, definitely need a different doctor! Yours isn't giving you any good options. IVIG every few weeks is not a good way to manage ITP long-term.

Counts could definitely drop due to shingles or Lymes (or any virus), but all you can do is treat shingles and Lymes according to protocol and hope that your counts respond. If not, you'd need to look at other ITP treatment options.

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11 years 8 months ago - 11 years 8 months ago #43259 by sem40
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I have ITP and Lyme. My platelets have never been low enough to justify treatment. They're typically around 50 - 70K. I just found out that I had Lyme Disease in May. When I first started treating with the standard 200mg of Doxycyline my counts jumped up by 30k. I was really hopeful that they would continue to go up but alas they're back down to where they started at 65k.

Lyme does wreak havoc on your immune system. Your body is actively fighting a bacterial infection so if you have an autoimmune disorder to begin with I think it makes sense that your condition would flare in those circumstances. Then again some people say that when they're sick with a cold or something their counts go up.

Unfortunately any kind of immune suppressant drug like steroids is only going to further empower the Lyme bacteria. It will unfortunately thrive if you're on any kind of immune suppressant so taking anything in that category is generally frowned upon while actively treating Lyme. Occasionally people do have to go that route though. I was just reading about someone needing to use steroid eye drops to combat the Lyme related inflammation in their eyes. It might not help get rid of the Lyme bacteria but if it saves your ability to see then you have to do what you have to do.

I'm really sorry you have Lyme Disease on top of just having shingles and being busy with school. That's really awful. I hope you are able to put a lot of things aside for a period and focus on healing.

The medical world when it comes to Lyme disease is the biggest mess I've ever come across. Having an obscure condition like ITP is so much easier than navigating healthcare with a Lyme Disease diagnosis.

There are two camps in medical treatment for Lyme disease. One says you take 28 days of doxycycline at 200mgs and then you're essentially cured. The other camp says that You would need at least double the amount of doxy and people typically need much longer treatment.

Doxycycline at 200mg is prescribed to teenagers long term for acne but for some reason the standard medical practice for Lyme has deemed it unsafe to prescribe it any longer than 28 days.

So you have the standard medical practice following CDC protocol on one side and then you have a large community of physicians who have been treating thousands of Lyme patients in endemic regions who have found greater success with longer and more aggressive treatment plans.

What makes this medical standoff so harmful to the patients lost in the middle is that Lyme disease can potentially be cured if caught early and treated effectively. The longer the bacteria stays in your system the more it replicates and spreads throughout your body, making it essentially impossible for antibiotics to ever completely eliminate.

There are a lot of people who go on to develop chronic lyme who were only treated with the minimal 28 day doxy regimen. I'm sure if they had been aware of the risk of only choosing the minimal treatment they would have instead opted for a few extra bottles of antibiotics after first being diagnosed rather than waiting to see if symptoms arise months to years down the road when treatment options are far more bleak.

I think I've had Lyme for at least five years before being properly diagnosed so I'm currently taking 3 different antibiotics and I'm looking at staying on them for 6 months to a year.

In order to properly treat Lyme disease, in my opinion, you need to seek out a Lyme Literate MD, otherwise known in the Lyme community as an LLMD. Regular physicians hands are tied by outdated regulations.

In most states it's actually illegal for a Dr. to treat Lyme patients with antibiotics for longer than 28 days. They can be prosecuted and have their license revoked or suspended. More and more states are beginning to overturn these laws but in the meantime the number of untreated people with lyme disease keeps growing.

Finding a Dr. becomes this clandestine operation. The internet, thankfully, makes it easier. You can go to ILADS and request a referral. I got three completely legitimate and decent Dr.'s names from them. ilads.org/ilads_media/physician-referral/

I found this online Lyme community group that has a lot of people sharing information. It doesn't have Sandi but they've been helpful. lymenet.org

Also, Unfortunately Lyme can come with a handful of Co-Infections. Ticks carry a number of diseases and they are all difficult to get rid of. I know Ehrlichia and Babesia specifically cause thrombocytopenia. And I believe I've read that thrombocytopenia is associated with the Lyme bacteria borelia burgdorferi. Here is a link to an article that goes into detail on how tick born diseases specifically effect platelets.

Mechanisms of thrombocytopenia in tick born diseases. By L. Pantanowitz on ISPUB.com ispub.com/IJID/2/2/3023

I don't think you have to worry about Dr.'s wanting to remove your spleen while you're dealing with this. Having a spleen is very important while fighting Lyme disease and the co-infections. I just hope your Dr.s realize that.

I hope some of this info helps.

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