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Is it Lyme disease or just bruising?

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11 years 10 months ago #41730 by Vdeutsch85
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So I had a very strange experience. On Sunday I got bit by some type of bug. I found and extracted a tick from my dog. I thought we would be having to worry about scorpions and diamondbacks but no tcks in Phoenix. I assumed I probably got bit by a tick or a mosquito. As the week has gone on the bite has spread. I usually bruise from bites. Today it looked like it had a halo around it so I googled it. The first thing that pops up is Lyme disease. I start freaking out. My boyfriend looks at it and thinks it looks weird.

I go to urgent care thinking I'm just a hypochondriac. The doctor is stumped. He says well it looks like a ring of bruising around a bite, but I'm not 100% sure it's that. He looks at with this flashlight and says I'm pretty sure it's little bruises around a bite mark, but then he goes to get some dermatology books. It looks exactly like the bulls eye halo in some of them. He says it's rare but lime disease can happen in Arizona and my dog had a tick.He checked my joints and stomach and everything else and came to the conclusion that he was 85% confident it's just weird bruising but because of the shape he can't rule out Lyme disease so I'm on antibiotics to be safe. He was actually very thorough and really listened to me which I appreciated. I I will check back with a family care doc in 3 weeks. Has this ever happened to anyone else?

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11 years 10 months ago #41741 by Sandi
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Hmmmm, hard to say. It does look like a tick bulls eye but could also be bruising or slight infection from a spider bite. Keep a close eye on it and try Neosporin. Maybe get tested for Lymes in a few weeks.

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11 years 10 months ago #41742 by eklein
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It sounds like you had a great doctor, what good luck!

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11 years 10 months ago #41743 by Vdeutsch85
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I agree. I'm going to take antibiotics, put neosporin on it, and get checked again in 3 weeks. From here on out its bug spray, bug spray, bug spray!

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11 years 10 months ago #41956 by Vdeutsch85
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Thank you for all of your responses. Luckily the whole thing turned into a bruise. It was the best bruise I've ever had. Much better than Lyme disease. However, just to be on the safe side I do have a check up on Thursday and will tell the doc about it just to make sure she doesn't want to run tests.

Also, my dog seems to be doing fine knock on wood after his tick bite.

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11 years 10 months ago #41959 by poseymint
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That is great news Vdeutsch! glad to hear it. whew- that must be a relief. And good for you that your Promacta has been tapered back down. nice. Plus its encouraging to know that just because a TPO quits working at a certain dose for a while doesn't mean it will never work at that dose again.

ps. watch out for Black Widow spiders- my friend who lives in Phoenix got bit and was quite miserable for several weeks.

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11 years 10 months ago #41973 by Vdeutsch85
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The funny thing is we came here thinking spiders, tarantulas, snakes.....desert dwellers. Nope we had ticks. I have been told many times by multiple people on here that you have to give treatments a chance to work. The challenge for me was finding a doctor willing to be patient and conservative with treatments. Your doc sounds awesome though. It sounds like he/she has some itp experience!

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11 years 10 months ago #41975 by Sandi
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So glad to hear it! :cheer:

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11 years 10 months ago #42005 by sem40
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Not to be the Debbie Downer here or anything but this doesn't sound all that great to me. This exact scenario is how a lot a lot lot lottt of people end up developing chronic Lyme disease. Lyme is only something you can cure if it's caught early. You're very lucky that you did identify it and were put on antibiotics but from what I've heard it should be at least 28 days of 300-400mg of Doxycycline. Dr.'s aren't very knowledgable out this disease and can be too conservative with the antibiotic regimen.

I was recently diagnosed and have been immersed in the whole world of Lyme drama. The testing for Lyme isn't that great. You are only checked to see if you have antibodies against the Lyme bacteria. Once your body produces the antibodies you can then always have them in your system wether you have an active infection or not. Because of this Dr.'s can't determine if you're cured or not. The standard practice is to assume that you are and that's the end of your treatment. If the antibiotics are prescribed early enough they can effectively kill off all of the bacteria in your bloodstream. Unfortunately people who go longer without treatment or receive inadequate treatment end up having the bacteria enter their tissue, joints, eyes, brain… And still the standard practice is to only prescribe 28 days of Doxycycline. This is an antibiotic that is prescribed long term to teenagers for their acne but for some absurd reason it isn't considered appropriate practice to prescribe a larger or longer term doses to people with long term Lyme disease.

There is a lot of controversy about the treatment of Lyme disease. It's so insanely ridiculous. There's this whole world of Dr.'s who are considered "Lyme Literate" or "LLMD's". Patients won't share their identities online in fear that the Dr.'s will be persecuted by their medical association for treating patients against protocol. Laws were passed where I'm from in Massachusetts to prevent this. Similar Laws are just being passed in NY right now and other New England states are passing laws like this. It's all bizarre if you ask me.

Also the standard medical practice test that is used to detect Lyme has all kinds of problems as well. They use an ELISA test to determine if you are positive or negative for Lyme antibodies. Because this test is not very sensitive, if you test positive they will retest you using a Western Blot which is considered more accurate as it tests for around 13 different Lyme antibodies. People who haven't been exposed for very long run the risk of not having made enough antibodies to test positive on an ELISA. Unfortunately the standard medical practice is that they will not test you with a Western Blot unless you test positive on an ELISA. You would think, considering how debilitating the disease can be the longer it is left untreated that securing the most accurate diagnosis as soon as possible would be worth the $200 test as opposed to relying on the $89 test. Another bizarre situation.

I did end up finding a good online discussion group that focuses on Lyme. I'd suggest going there. And checking out some posts. Maybe asking people what they think. I'm still new to the whole thing and am still just horrified by all the info I'm taking in so maybe the veterans would have better direction to give you. Given that you are on antibiotics and it was caught early you sound like you're doing the right thing. If it were me I would get 400mg's of Doxy (or a similar family antibiotic because Doxycycline can make you very sun sensitive) for 28 days at the very least. The Lyme net site even has a dr. referral category. You can post that you'd like to know of Dr.'s in your area and people will email you with contact info for those Dr.'s. You can also get Dr. recommendations from the International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society (ILADS). I personally found their recommendations to be more reasonable than some of the random practitioners people private messaged me in the LymeNet discussion group. I would go both routes and check out all your options though.

I ended up going to a LLMD, paying out of pocket $400 dollars for an initial consult. A western blot through a lyme specializing lab called Igenex costs $200 and because ticks also carry several other serious diseases I got the co-infection test for $800. Supposedly at least 50% of ticks have one or more diseases… or maybe it's 50%of people with lyme have one or more infection… I can't remember, been reading too much but do know the coinfection rate is high. That may sound like a lot but it's a really debilitating disease and that's really not much money in my opinion to start getting adequate treatment coming from where I am. & the first appointment is more expensive than follow up visits. & there are LLMD's out there who do take insurance. You can look for "Functional Medicine" practitioners in your area as well, they may be more open to further treatment but also given your area, given how rare it is out there getting a specific "LLMD" is probably your best bet if you want to get more antibiotics.

I recently came across a good article in Runners World that did a really nice job of discussing lyme in a non-biased, non-hysterical, well rounded tone. It's one of those issues where there's so much ridiculous info on the web you can get lost in it. The link is below.

There's also a link for a pretty thorough list of basic symptoms of Lyme disease. It's a bacteria that spreads everywhere so it presents as all kinds of crazy symptoms, making even harder to diagnose. It's probably helpful though to have a general idea of what to look out for. Flu like symptoms this time of year are a definite red flag.

Sorry if I sound like I'm going overboard here with the info and the Dr. recommendation. I just wish I had the opportunity to catch this so early and am thinking this is what I would have wanted to know then if I had the chance. I hate being uninformed. One of the hardest things I dealt with being diagnosed 5 years after my symptoms onset was amazement that no one thought to test me, I never thought of it, we live in an endemic area (though it is considered to be much more widespread than is the current understanding too) and even my most well intentioned Dr.'s were completely ignorant about even the symptoms. I had flu like symptoms for 2 years, myalgia etc. a lot of classic symptoms… A new primary care doctor suspected lyme after talking to me for five minutes… You just have to be aware of it I guess.


Anyway that's my 2 cents. Sorry if I sound crazy. Probably have lyme bacteria in my brain….

flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi

ilads.org/ilads_media/physician-referral/

m.runnersworld.com/health/runners-and-lyme-disease?page=1

canlyme.com/lyme-basics/symptoms/

Here's another site I'm glad I came across. It's current research into the Lyme bacteria to understand how it can last after antibiotic treatment in the long term lyme patients. There's something called persister cells. There's also supposedly something like 77 other peer reviewed journal articles on Lyme showing how it needs longer term treatment in some patients. I read that fact online but have also come across other studies myself making it clear that people can suffer from the disease after treatment and can benefit from additional treatment. Lyme was only "discovered" in the 70's so it's also bizarre that the medical community would have already considered a one-size-fits-all treatment plan such an open and shut case. Obviously there's more to learn.

www.northeastern.edu/news/2014/04/lewis-3qs/

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11 years 10 months ago #42006 by sem40
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also… while I'm ranting… I was shocked to learn that one of the common tick co-infections called Babesia is very dangerous for splenectomized patients. I hope people who have undergone a splenectomy are aware of the risks related to tick bites and take adequate precautions.

"Splenectomized patients are more susceptible to contracting the disease and the course of infection often ends fatally within five to eight days of symptom onset.[13] Parasitemia levels can reach up to 85% in patients without spleens compared to 1-10% in individuals with spleens and effective immune systems. Splenectomized patients suffer from severe hemolytic anemia with occasional incidences of hepatomegaly and splenomegaly documented.[12]" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babesia

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11 years 10 months ago #42007 by eklein
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Wow thank you for explaining all that and providing the links!
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11 years 10 months ago #42019 by Vdeutsch85
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Sem40,

Wow, I am so sorry that you are going through this. I was watching the real housewives of Beverly Hills and one of the women has it and did effect her brain. I ended up going to my hema today. My counts are at 40, which is low for me. I have more bites that are bruising strangely. When I showed them to the hema she thinks I'm allergic to whatever the Mosquitos inject. They get very red, swollen and then bruise and get petichae around them. I think I had a bite with petichae around it. She thinks it was that as well when I showed her the pic and the bite on my leg. She also said that the ticks that live here are dog ticks, which don't usually carry Lyme. I think they carry some other diseases. I think it's Rocky Mountain fever we have to look out for the most. Ticks are nasty critters.

My hema said to take some antihistamines to eliminate the swelling and upped my Promacta.
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11 years 10 months ago #42020 by Vdeutsch85
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Here is my current bite. It looks similar to the other one. I put bug spray on every day. The mosquitoes seem to love me anyways.

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11 years 10 months ago #42021 by sem40
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Have you done a google image search for the "bullseye rash"? The rash can take any shape and doesn't necessarily take a bullseye form for some. I never had a rash or knowledge of a tick bight which is common for a considerable portion of people diagnosed with lyme.

Given my current scenario I would be freaking out if I saw that and would be going to a dr with experience treating lyme to get proper antibiotics and testing.

I'm definitely in the middle of being horrified by all the new info I'm taking in so I know my opinion here is on the extreme end. There are no absolutes with anything and other bugs can cause skin irritations BUT if you're unsure at all I say err on the side of caution and follow up with an appointment somewhere. It can be resolved now if it is a tick born disease. If symptoms surface a year from now you're in another boat.

I just googled "Phoenix Arizona Lyme" and the first thing to come up was a treatment center that specializes in treating lyme with an LLMD on staff. www.newlifemedicalclinics.com/Treatments/Lyme_Disease.aspx

Their site notes public efforts in the area To get the state medical association to acknowledge the existence of lyme in Arizona. They referred to this local advocacy group L.E.A.P. Arizona a Lyme education advocacy program. www.leaparizona.com

Even Drs here in Boston are very uninformed about the probability that someone's symptoms are Tick related. I had a friend tell me a story about how they found a tick on their leg, brought it to a dr along with a clear bullseye rash and the dr said he didn't want to waste the antibiotics without proof that it was absolutely necessary. Drs who treat patients with lyme regularly know that some patients can develop very chronic conditions quickly so they immediately prescribe an antibiotic in that kind of scenario. Lyme is supposed to be a clinical diagnosis anyway. Meaning based on a Drs assessment given that the test aren't terribly reliable. I don't get why acne is ok to treat with antibiotics but something as serious as even the possibility of lyme doesn't merit such a minimal level of treatment when it cAn so significantly determine the future of a persons life. I just don't get it.

I also would like to add that any immune suppressants for ITP can be bad for tick born infections. Without your immune system up to the task of fighting off the bacteria it has more freedom to spread.

Sorry if I'm unloading my current anxieties on you with this. All I've been doing lately is informing people about what I've learned. I like to have a very thorough understanding of the things I experience. It's how I cope in a way and I do enjoy the learning process. I don't see how I couldn't have overwhelmed you with info. This must be a lot to take in all at once. I definitely don't know all the details of your experience and only you can be the judge of what's right for you. I would suggest letting the info sit for a bit before deciding anything just to ensure that you've given it all enough time to settle.

Oh also for future reference DEET is not effective at killing ticks. It's great for mosquitos. There's something called permethrin. It can't be applied to your skin because it dissolves too fast or something but it can be applied to your shoes and clothes. Some clothes are sold with it already in it and it lasts something like 70 washes. It's also in some dog flea and tick treatments. It's very effective at killing ticks. I've read they'll die on contact in 3-5 seconds.

Good luck with the rashes I really hope it works out to be just another random oddity rather than anything serious.

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11 years 10 months ago #42023 by Vdeutsch85
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I just have a silly question. Did you see a tick on you or have to pull one out? I never saw one on me just on my dog.

How does your Lyme disease effect your itp? Do you have a spleen? Are you on immunosupressants? In worse case scenario, I do have my spleen and am not on immunosupressants.

How common is Lyme disease? I would think it would be more common than itp and therefore more research and treatments.

That doc your friend went to does not sound too smart. If she had the tick, could that have been tested to see if it had lyme? I have the tick from my dog.

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11 years 10 months ago #42027 by Sandi
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My son used to get nasty looking bites from mosquitoes. He'd have a bunch of large, red boil-like lumps on his legs that went away after a few days. I'd never get a bite reaction even when I was outside with him. Weird how that happens.

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11 years 10 months ago #42039 by sem40
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Oh ask away if you have any questions, those are definitely reasonable.

The ILADS site has a quick facts page that seems to focus on percentages, how many people are effected, etc.
www.ilads.org/lyme/lyme-quickfacts.php

It's supposedly 300,000 people a year. This Center for Disease Control number only came out last year, previously it was estimated to be 30,000 people per year but efforts were made to get a more accurate number recently. Lyme groups say the number has to be much higher considering how under diagnosed it is. On average supposedly it takes someone 4 years to be diagnosed. From my own calculations 300,000 is almost 1% of the population, which sounds similar to ITP but I definitely doubt that because since I was diagnosed in one months time I've become aware that 6 other people I know have had long term lyme problems. I've known of 2 other people with ITP in the five years that I’ve had it. It’s likely percentages of Lyme may just be higher in New England as this area is considered endemic to tick born diseases but it’s being diagnosed in more and more states.

There seems to me to be way more controversy over lyme than research. Apparently, from what I've learned the person who discovered Lyme in the 70s, Alan Steere, drew a hard line in the sand and said lyme bacteria cannot survive after a single dose of antibiotics. It's completely impossible. Anyone with long term complications must be suffering from residual effects of the initial damage. He's a renowned dr with the ivy league pedigree whose opinion holds a lot of weight in the medical community. Here’s a long article that discusses his controversy. www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/06/01/lyme-disease-rise-and-controversy-over-how-sick-makes-patients/OT4rCTy9qRYh25GsTocBhL/story.html

On the other side of that line are Drs who work in heavily tick populated areas who treat thousands of Lyme patients and claim to see positive results from continual antibiotic treatment. Some recommend a long-term patient receive 12-24 months of a variety of different rotating antibiotics. Plus there are those that incorporate nutritional support, herbal supplements etc.. Here is a link to an LLMD’s treatment guidelines that is well respected on the other side of the treatment line. www.lymenet.org/BurrGuide200810.pdf It’s from ’08, I think there’s a more updated one out there. Research approaches should change as more is known about treatment results. It doesn’t sit right with me that the American medical association has so quickly concluded that there’s only one treatment plan for something that is not very well understood. In my opinion though, I do feel that the medical community is starting to back away from their former level of certainty as more and more evidence becomes available that runs counter to the 70s & 80s medical information regarding Lyme.

There is more recent research showing that bacteria can in fact persist beyond a simple round of antibiotics. Research has also been done with, I think both humans and animals showing that a sterile tick raised in a lab can be attached to humans and animals treated with antibiotics for long-term Lyme and still become infected with the Lyme bacteria. Here’s a link to Columbia university researcher discussing some new approaches and research. www.columbia-lyme.org/about/director_message.html

I’ve been thinking about all the bias, fear and controversy that surrounded the early history of AIDS in the U.S. in the 70s. Partly it was linked to homophobia but I also think there’s finger pointing, name calling, fear mongering etc. etc. when there is so much uncertainty associated with a disease. Everyone has a theory and when none are immediately proven the people who work in medicine as a business are going to hold fast to a very conservative approach. It took a lot of public efforts to have the AIDS virus acknowledged and treated and researched by the medical community. I just watched the HBO movie The Normal Heart and it was all about these early stages of the disease and the Dr. played by Julia Roberts who was ostracized from the medical community for believing in and treating people without any formal protocols what was then referred to as “gay cancer”. Lyme disease awareness must have come about around the same time as AIDS but hasn’t received anywhere close to the amount of attention or research so it’s not surprising to me that the disease is still caught up in so much misinformation and bias and ignorance.

I think people react a lot differently to infectious diseases than they do things like autoimmune disorders. Even just telling people I have Lyme disease is so interestingly different than telling someone I have a rare blood disorder. People disengage on some level when you tell them about ITP. You can tell some people are maybe relieved or feel guilty that they’re not in your shoes and may feel pity for you. Talking about Lyme is so different. People tune right in and have questions, share their knowledge, express their fears and opinions. I feel more of a connection with people talking about Lyme. Maybe this has more to do with the disease being more well known than it being something anyone could catch but I feel like that interest and fear could definitely get misaligned and misdirected all over the place when people can’t rely on scientific evidence to prove things one way or another.

Anyway sorry for the tangents and back to your questions. I never saw a tick. I never had a rash. I had no idea I had ever been bitten by a tick. I never even saw any ticks anywhere I went or had any friends get ticks on them in my presence. In all my online research trying to understand all the symptoms I was dealing with that weren’t in keeping with ITP I never came across anything that suggested Lyme disease. Even if I had, to be honest, given that I thought I had never been exposed to a tick bite I don’t know that I would have given it much thought. Now I’ve read that apparently something like 50% of people with Lyme disease have no knowledge that they ever had a tick bite. I wish I had realized that five years ago.

My ITP may have actually been caused by Lyme. It’s too early to tell. I’ve only been on antibiotics for a little over a month. BUT my blood test results that I recently checked online show my platelet count to be 89 in one test and 106 in another. I don’t know why they would have done two tests two days apart and why the second test was higher than the first when it was the same blood. I have to speak to my Dr. and find out if I’m reading the platelet count wrong and find out what the different blood panels were for but I’m accustomed to seeing my platelet count run around 50 – 60k. If these numbers are correct this will be the highest my platelet count has been in five years. I’m not getting my hopes up over the whole thing though. My family has a lot of autoimmune issues and given that lyme isn’t something that is necessarily cured in the long-term people I’m not exactly celebrating.

I always hovered around that 60k, was never treated with immunosuppressants and was never splenectomized. I was shocked to read about the danger of Babesia and splenectomy just because I’ve read about so many people here debating getting a splenectomy and never heard about that concern. Are people informed of the danger they could face if they live or work in an area known to have a tick problem?

Here’s a study showing that thrombocytopenia can be a symptom of Lyme. It was the first thing that came up when I googled “lyme thrombocytopenia”. I found it so frustrating to realize that I live in an endemic are where this is considered a more common bacterial infection, especially for people like me who used to love to camp and hike all around the north east… I just would have thought my dr.’s would have tested me for common bacterial and viral infections given that ITP can be caused by such things. I think they just tested me for AIDS and Lupus and called it a day… www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8183774

The story about my friends Dr. was to illustrate how ignorant the majority of Dr.’s are. Those kinds of stories are common. I was ridiculously ignorant too. There’s just not enough info out there aimed to educate people. I think all the controversy surrounding Lyme diagnoses has something to do with this and that’s just really really unfortunate for people who could be preventing needless exposure with just a little more public outreach. My own new primary care doc who at least finally recognized my symptoms as Lyme and finally tested me told me that ticks can only carry one disease, so if I had Lyme there was no chance I also had any other tick born disease. This is not true at all. There’s a lot of medically recognized evidence out there that ticks carry multiple diseases. The infectious disease specialist I saw told me that I don’t have the co-infection Babesia because that usually has an acute onset where you either die or recover. This is not true either. There is well established and medically accepted info out there that says Babesia can linger in your system and is not treated by the same antibiotics that treat Lyme. I’m still waiting to receive the results for the co-infection test that I paid out of pocket for through a LLMD visit. I certainly don’t want to have any co-infections but I’m not just going to assume that I don’t have any and wait and see. I think the standard medical practice may be to retest for co-infections later if symptoms persist after Lyme treatment. While the bacteria just floats around causing more internal damage… no thanks… It seems like this level of ignorance is the norm for Lyme. It’s somewhat understandable given all the uncertainty and controversy and everything. It’s all been a learning experience for me.

Your dogs tick can be sent off and tested. www.igenex.com/files/ticktest.pdf

In Massachusetts I know UMass also tests ticks. ag.umass.edu/services/tick-borne-disease-diagnostics They even have a program where they will tests ticks for free for residents in a lot of Massachusetts communities. A lot of the participating communities are along the heavily touristed coast. I’d love to see this advertised to all the unsuspecting families who visit every summer.

www.gazettenet.com/news/townbytown/deerfield/11589395-95/state-grant-allows-university-of-massachusetts-researchers-to-offer-free-tick-testing-in-32

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11 years 10 months ago #42040 by Sandi
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I don’t know why they would have done two tests two days apart and why the second test was higher than the first when it was the same blood.

Sem:

This happens all the time. Having the same sample done twice can result in two different numbers. Platelet counts are not an exact science. One reason is that the machines can be calibrated differently and that can throw it off. Sometimes white cells that are the same size as platelets can sneak in and throw the numbers off, or platelets can clump and change the result. There are a few variables that can cause this to happen.

Why they tested the platelets again - I don't know.

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11 years 10 months ago - 11 years 10 months ago #42043 by dru
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sems said "also… while I'm ranting… I was shocked to learn that one of the common tick co-infections called Babesia is very dangerous for splenectomized patients. I hope people who have undergone a splenectomy are aware of the risks related to tick bites"




Before I had my splenectomy my hema explained this to me. She even said she would recommend not going to Marthas Vineyard in the summer because Babesia is endemic there. It is less common than lyme in ticks here south shore Boston where I live.

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11 years 10 months ago #42044 by Sandi
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It is a good point. I'm sure that many people don't realize it. Animal bites can be dangerous also for those who are asplenic. I also once read a story about a woman who got sepsis from babesia because she planted a garden. She didn't wear gloves and got dirt in a small cut.

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11 years 10 months ago #42053 by Vdeutsch85
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Ahhh all the things to think about and worry about

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11 years 10 months ago #42055 by sem40
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Hi Sandi, thanks for the info on the platelet count variability. The hematology lab does more accurate counts than the general blood lab my pcp will send me to soI suppose I was aware of that on some level. The second test I got showing my platelet count is a CD57 test. It's supposed to show the level of my immune cells. It looks like a slightly different complete blood count to me and lists my platelets as being higher. I don't want to regard that number as my actual platelet count until I talk to my Dr. about how to read this test. Haven't come across anything on the inter web that specifically breaks down the numbers yet.

www.researchednutritionals.com/information.cfm?ID=200

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11 years 10 months ago #42056 by sem40
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Thanks for the info Dru, I feel a bit better hearing that Dr.'s are at least aware of the risk and are informing patients. It seems like all the Dr.'s I've seen over the years must not have been that informed about tick born diseases.

I grew up on Nantasket Beach. Not so many ticks on the beach at least.

Apparently the first non splenectomized patient with Babesia was on Nantucket. Babesia was at first referred to as Nantucket Fever but I imagine that name didn't do much for their tourist season so it fell out of fashion.

It seems like tick bites are most common in the summer months so at least our new england winters are good for something.

If you have any interest, I came across a site that listed plants that deter bugs from your property. I'm sure they're effect is minimal but I think I might start planting some in my small garden. Permethrin, the best available tick killer is actually a synthetic form of some part of chrysanthemums.

knowledgeweighsnothing.com/six-insect-repellent-plants-to-grow/

They also sell something called tick tubes. It's a tube lined with cotton or something soaked in permethrin. Mice, which are typically infested with ticks, will take the material to pad their nests and it will kill off all their ticks. This helps clear property of ticks as well. I don't think it harms the mice but I have heard that permethrin is for some reason not very good at all for cats.

www.amazon.com/Damminix-27213-Tick-Tube-6-Pack/dp/B008JSCF8A/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1403621441&sr=8-2&keywords=tick+tubes

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11 years 10 months ago #42057 by sem40
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Sandi I think you might be thinking of Botulism with the woman who got sepsis gardening. I definitely don't know enough about infectious disease, Babesia is a protozoan parasite and according to wikipedia they can live in soil but I think the Babesia strain may only live in red blood cells. Though maybe it could lay dormant in dirt. Not sure. I suppose it is all too much to think about. Knowing myself though I'll be hyper focusing on tick born diseases for a while.

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11 years 10 months ago #42058 by ashybobashy
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Hope you are alright V. The first one looked quite similar to lyme but you just keep up with docs and symptoms but it may turn out to be nothing. Good thing you've a great doc who erred in the side if caution. Hope everythign turns out ok. Also, I don't think we have Lyme disease here. Could be wrong bu ireland doesn't seem to have much here although I live in the countryside filled with a imams trees, etc so you never know.

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11 years 10 months ago #42063 by Sandi
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sem40 wrote: Sandi I think you might be thinking of Botulism with the woman who got sepsis gardening.


No, I know it wasn't botulism, and was pretty sure it was babesia but I could be wrong about that. I do know that it was a bacteria in the dirt that got to her pretty quick. Point is, people without spleens need to be careful when gardening. All of us on immunosuppressants should be!

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11 years 10 months ago #42072 by Ann
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May be toxoplasmosis. Easily fought off for someone with a healthy immune system. For the asplenic and immune deficient it can easily become overwhelming.

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11 years 10 months ago #42075 by Sandi
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Maybe, that could be it.

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