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Skin disorder probelems with ITP

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12 years 8 months ago #35902 by DRoberts264
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I have had ITP for 7 months with various treatments last being IVIG abouts 2 weeks ago. I have generalized :( skin patches that are red raised and itchy on my upper arms and legs a on my trunk as well. Does anyone know if this is another ITP problem or possiblably caused by some of the medication?

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12 years 8 months ago #35903 by Sandi
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No, rashes (other than petechiae) are not ITP related. It could be the result of a medication, but is unlikely. It could be some sort of allergy-type rash, such as eczema or psoriasis. You should see a dermatologist.

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12 years 8 months ago #35943 by mendenmh
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In response to the topic, and Sandi's last reply:
psoriasis isn't an allergy-type rash, it is another autoimmune condition.

Since autoimmunities such as ITP and psoriasis seem to cluster in people, the possibility of psoriasis is probably somewhat elevated. Is it just a rash, or does it tend to form welts with sort of silvery peeling scales on them? These would be typical of plaque psoriasis, the most common form.

(speaking from annoying familiarity with both).

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12 years 8 months ago #35944 by Sandi
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Yes, you're right. I was just simplifying it. Technically, allergies are also autoimmune. I had eczema for most of my life but it oddly went away when I hit my 30's.

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11 years 11 months ago #41554 by norita
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Do you notice it gets worse (the skin disorder) when your counts are low?

I get dry, inflamed, itchy skin when my counts are low (below 20) - typically on the right side of my abdomen first, then on my neck, and I get a flaky scalp. The skin on my palms just below my fingers also becomes harder. These symptoms correlate precisely with counts, since my counts can bounce from 10 to 150 in a matter of days on Romiplostim (and back down again, unfortunately). I also get sneezing and hayfever type symptoms with low counts.

I find it strange that a higher count by itself (without immunosuppression from e.g. steroids) can make the skin thing go away too. Makes me wonder if Romiplostim (Nplate) has some immuno-regulatory effects as well (the fact that some people go into remission on it would suggest it does).

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11 years 10 months ago #41610 by cboggs
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Hi. I am attempting to find out if my ITP is linked to high histamine levels. I also get red skin bumps that are not petechia and appear and disappear over time. Platelets carry histamine. Don't know for sure what this means, but really seems in my case that there is a connection. My hematologist tested my histamine level, and found it was above normal levels. There's a condition called mastocytosis in which mast cells release too much histamine on a chronic basis, leading to all sorts of autoimmune issues. Very few doctors in any specialty seem to be researching this issue. Ask your doctor to test your histamine levels to see if they're high at one of the times when your skin problems are acting up. There are some protocols for reducing histamine levels using a sequence of over-the-counter histamines. I haven't tried this yet, but will do so.

I'm a 59 year old woman who's had ITP reoccur three times in the past 11years and went into complete remission twice, active again for the past three years. Currently on Nplate, which was working fine until I went through a stressful period this past month. Expect things to improve again as things settle down.
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11 years 10 months ago #41618 by Vdeutsch85
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I am always getting weird skin issues. I've been told it's allergic dermatitis. It just comes on. Usually cortisone cream will get rid of it. It's usually on my hands, upper arms, top of legs and behind knees. It can be gone for months and then randomly appear.

I had a rash the day after completing Rituxin. The doctor said it wasn't related but I still wonder. I had to be on oral steroids for that.
It was pretty miserable. Plus I was all bruised and petichaed up because my counts were so low ( did not respond to Rituxin) I bet I was a sight to see lol


I also have reactions to most skin products such as lotions, soaps and sunscreens. Luckily I do ok with neutrogena sensitive skin sunscreen or I would be in trouble.living in Arizona.

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11 years 7 months ago #43553 by cboggs
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I was developing skin rashes after Nplate shots. Had them tested by a dermatologist and one showed evidence of being eczema due to a drug reaction.

One of the inactive ingredients in Nplate is l-histadine, which could be problematic if you have a histamine or mast cell disorder. My platelet count seems to fall whenever I develop high histamine levels, and I'm currently investigating whether I have a mast cell disorder (in which the body produces histamine and other chemicals to fight allergens thinking they are infections.)

So there may be a link between skin rashes and low platelet levels. Not sure whether anyone is conducting systematic research looking at this connection, however.

Good luck!

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11 years 7 months ago #43586 by Vdeutsch85
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That is very intriguing. If you find any research, please share. Going back I was diagnosed with Graves' disease at 22 and I was having huge welts all over my arms. I think there may have been a connection between high thyroid levels and hives because once I was on medication and my counts were at normal levels the rashes went away.

And I want to apologize to everyone for their skin issues. They are so awful and annoying!

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11 years 7 months ago #43595 by midwest6708
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V,
Thyro-peroxidase or anti-microsomal antibodies (not thyroid hormone levels per se) are a frequent cause of urticaria, usually in Hashimoto's thyroiditis, but sometimes found with Graves' disease, too. Treatment of the thyroid disorder often has a positive effect on the thyroid antibody titer which resolves the hives problem. If you had these ABs, and if their titer improved following your treatment as expected, that would explain things.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19274930
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11 years 7 months ago #43608 by Sandi
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I think that many people with ITP are probably prone to different types of allergic skin disorders, so it doesn't surprise me. I had eczema for many years prior to ITP. My daughter also had eczema for years before being diagnosed with Graves. The autoimmune cycle starts sometimes with hives, hay fever, asthma, food allergies, psoriasis, eczema...all the typical allergy-related things.

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11 years 7 months ago #43613 by Vdeutsch85
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Thank you for all of the input all of you pdsa ers. It makes complete sense. :)

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11 years 7 months ago #43614 by Vdeutsch85
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This is pretty off topic but does have to do with autoimmune issues. I have been teaching for 7 years now and I have been seeing more and more severe food allergies each year with the kiddos. It is very scary and I'm really starting to wonder what is going on.

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11 years 7 months ago #43627 by midwest6708
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It's not your imagination. Science is investigating, but no firm answers yet.
Some potential explanations are described here:
www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/08/03/food.allergies.er.gut/

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11 years 7 months ago #43631 by Ann
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I have a documentary about that very subject recorded on computer waiting to be watched. I'll get round to it some day soon. It will be interesting to see what they have to say.

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11 years 7 months ago #43632 by dru
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I have had many problems with all kinds of rashes and hives. It was very bad last time I tapered off prednisone. I went to a dermatologist and had skin allergy testing...found I am allergic to all kinds of things that are in everyday skin products, lanolin, formaldehyde, perfumes. Now I have been using only vanicream and free and clear lotions, shampoos, detergent, sunscreen. Plain vaseline is okay too. Now my rashes and hives are gone.

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11 years 7 months ago #43634 by Vdeutsch85
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Janet,

Thank you for sharing. Very interesting article.

Ann,
you will have to give a synopsis of the documentary or where you found it so I can watch.

Dru,
I'm in the same boat and I am so sorry you have all the allergies. It's highly annoying. Do you have allergic reactions to mosquito bites. I have around 20 and they swell and bruise. I thought it was an itp thing but it happens to my sister as well.

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11 years 7 months ago #43636 by dru
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Valerie,
One of my students has allergic reaction to mosquito bites like that, we have to send him to the nurse to get slathered in repellant before recess. I found out that allergies to mosquito bites are fairly common. Im not allergic to mosquito bites but seem to be allergic to many other things. Ive been doing well since switching to non-allergic products.

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11 years 7 months ago #43637 by Vdeutsch85
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Dru,

I'm glad to hear that. I'm also doing well with non-allergic products.

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11 years 7 months ago - 11 years 7 months ago #43641 by Ann
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The synopsis is here. I may not bother to watch it now I've read that. It's the same old "we're too clean" theory.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-28934415

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10 years 2 weeks ago #53875 by moondance
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Hi cboggs
I am wondering if you were able to get any resolution regarding low platelets and high histamine/mast cell disorders?

I am a 65 yr old female, 8 years ITP and currently taking promacta.

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10 years 1 week ago #53922 by cboggs
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Hi, Moondance.

The short answer is not yet, but I'm still working on it.

Here are the highlights of what I learned so far:

1. My rash was not hives, but Sweet's Syndrome.

NPlate worked for me for about 13 months. Then my counts started dropping and I developed rashes after each weekly shot. The rashes were not hives, but rather individual dark red, very itchy smooth spots that formed on my arms and legs. The spots gradually developed a pus-filled center that looked like it was from an insect bite, then gradually faded away after several weeks without leaving scars.

Doctors to whom I showed the rash could not diagnose it. I finally found online research that identified the rash as Sweet's Syndrome. Sweet's Syndrome is normally a side effect of blood cancers, but I didn't have cancer. However, the spots did respond to the treatment recommended by sufferers of Sweet's Syndrome online: selenium and potassium iodide supplements.

2. My rash was caused by salicylate sensitivity, possibly based on a genetic susceptibility triggered by taking NPlate.

NPLate carries a warning to stop taking it if you develop a rash. I ignored the warning because I wanted it to keep working. But after I started developing the rashes, my platelets never again rose above 5 on NPlate.

I also noticed that certain foods I was formerly able to eat now triggered the rash even after I stopped NPlate. These included coconut oil, tomatoes, and strawberries.

After doing more research online, I learned that what these foods all have in common is that they are naturally high in salicylates. This is the main ingredient in aspirin that people with ITP need to avoid because it can trigger bleeding.

I also discovered that there is something called salicylate sensitivity that a number of people have, although the condition is relatively unknown in the U.S. and Canadian medical communities. However, there are a number of discussion groups online for people with salicylate sensitivity, the largest of which is the Salicylate Sensitivity Forum at salicylatesensitivity.com. The leading medical research on this problem comes from the Royal Albert Hospital in Australia.

What I've learned from this group is that salicylate sensitivity is an intolerance, not an allergy. In some people, salicylates are not excreted properly from their bodies and cause symptoms when they build up to high levels. You can still eat some foods containing sals if your limit your exposure to them, because it is not a food allergy reaction.

There is no blood test to diagnose salicylate sensitivity. You diagnose it by going on a sals elimination diet for several weeks and seeing if your symptoms go away. Then you add foods back one at a time to see which ones are safe and which ones you need to avoid. But you need to keep your intake of sals to a relatively low level overall as long as the sensitivity is active.

3. My salicylate sensitivity may indicate that my ITP is related to varying levels of activity (overactivity in some areas, and underactivity in others) in different parts of my immune system.

No one is sure of the causes of salicylate sensitivity, but it seems that people in the discussion groups tend to have MTHFR gene mutations, and are of Irish or Celtic ancestry (hence the Australian connection, since many Australians are the descendents of Irish prisoners). Genetic testing confirmed I have both conditions.

One Salicylate Sensitivity Forum member who was a pharmacy student speculated that the underlying cause of the problem may be a lack of prostaglandins, inflammatory chemicals produced by part of the immune system. The lack of sufficient amounts of prostaglandins may somehow prevent people from properly processing salicylates in food. Some people in the group have been able to overcome the condition with diet and supplements. I still haven't figured out how to recover from it myself, but it's good to see that it is possible to do so.

4. Rashes that look like histamine intolerance may have other causes.

Although I originally thought my problem was histamine intolerance, I lack most of the symptoms of that syndrome. If you want to see if you have that, check out the website of the Low Histamine Chef. She has the most valuable online information about that topic. This is another condition that has not yet been studied by more than a handful of North American doctors.

5. Chronic low-level infections may play a role in causing my ITP:

Last fall, I developed Haemophilus Influenzae B, which is a bacterial infection and not a virus, following a visit to the dentist which caused a lot of gum bleeding due to my platelet count being less than 5. The infection caused muscle aches, small seizures, and I ended up in the hospital for 3 days with a small brain bleed. I was treated with antibiotics and the three-drug ITP regimen (Dexamethosone pulse, Rituxan, and Cyclosporine), plus an alternative antibacterial treatment using UVA light.

Then in February, I developed what seemed to be a major viral infection and developed pink eye. When cultured, the eye infection was also Haemophilus Influenzae B. This time, instead of my platelet counts collapsing, they shot up to 74 without any treatments other than antibacterial eyedrops, UVA light, and being very careful with my diet.

The lesson I took from this latter experience is that my bone marrow is working fine, but some area of my immune system is destroying the platelets I produce.

So this research is a work in progress. Hope I haven't overwhelmed you with all this detail. But I'm sharing it in the hope that some of you who have similar symptoms might find this information helpful.

I have started a discussion on the PDSA site related to Methylation and ITP. Please join that discussion if you would like to continue looking at these issues.

Best regards,

Cathy

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