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14 years 5 months ago #14963 by iam4ual
question about ITP was created by iam4ual
Hello everyone, hope all is well.

I do have a question tonight. I have been DX with ITP since Jan 26th 2011. I went on prednisone and counts came up really well. I tapered off and for 5 weeks they stayed in the 200000. then I took a day of Cipro (do not know if this caused a drop) and they dropped to 68000 in 2 weeks then to 11000. Dr put me on Dexamethasone pulses, they came up to 130000 and stayed there. Dr wanted me to do another pulse, which I am on now. Will not get another count till next week.

My question is, everyone is different I know, but is the ups and downs pretty typical in the begining? Is it still possible that I go into remission and how long should I give it? I think some have gone into remission right off. and some have not. If you guys can just give me an idea of what is semi-normal for this. Like I said i know all are different but I do not want to keep taking steroids if these relapses are too close together.

DX Jan 26 2011 count 8000
put on 100mg of pred came up to 169000 in two weeks
came off pred and on 3/15/11 they came up to 202000
went on 3/29 and down to 68000
back on 4/5 and at 11000
started DEX on 4/5
on 4/12 they were 68000
on 4/22 they were 98000
on 4/29 they were 134000
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14 years 5 months ago #14964 by Sandi
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Shannon:

Everyone has a different experience, but I'd say the majority started with many ups and downs.

My experience: I was diagnosed at 50,000 in 1998. I had a physical because I never recovered fully from a cold, and the fatigue lasted weeks and weeks. I was referred to a hematologist and within a few weeks, counts dropped to 8. At that point, the first treatment suggested to me was Win-Rho. I had five weekly treatments which didn't raise my counts at all. Knowing what I know now, I would have never gone back for the second one. I was below 10 the entire time.

Next, we tried Danazol. Again, a bad choice because it doesn't work often and it never works quickly. After a few days, I broke out in hives, so we stopped that. On to Prednisone, 60 mg's. My counts shot up to over 300,000 in a week. I was on that for a few months and all was well. About four months later, counts dropped back down to the 60's. Hemo wanted me to treat - back on Prednisone. Knowing what I know now, I would never do that in the 60's! (The Decadron pulse is different though).

Stayed on Prednisone a few months again, counts shot up, and every CBC after that came back above normal. I stopped going for counts and thought ITP was behind me. Fast forward a year and a half. I saw my GP who asked about my counts. Fine, fine, I say. He talked me into getting a CBC for the heck of it. I did, and counts were in the 30's. I have no idea how long they were there. Back to the hemo. This time I just monitored for a few months until counts were below 15. At that point, back on Prednisone, but this time, I called the shots. I refused a dose above 30 mg's and only stayed on it for a few weeks. Counts went up, but they didn't last. I was on and off of Prednisone for a few years like that until I finally said enough. I had been doing Prednisone every few months. AT that time (2003), Rituxan was getting huge, so I asked if I could try that. We did. I had a good response (over 150) and it lasted 13 months. I went for Rituxan again and only had one infusion due to a reaction, but it was enough to get my counts up to over 150. That was my last ITP treatment, but at that point, I was having Lupus symptoms and have been taking Prednisone for that since. I don't know if the dose I am on (5 to 25 m's) is what is keeping my counts up. I did have two dips into the 60's in that time, but rebounded just fine.

In all that time - from 1998 to 2004, I had mini-remissions. I was on and off of treatments a lot. 6 years of it. I learned to be happy with safe counts - anything above 20 and did not treat unless I got below that. It was doable. I really didn't expect long remissions but was happy when I finally got one. It does get old.

There is no 'normal' with this. Everyone has a different story based on what they have tried and what they respond to. Everyone also has a different tolerance level as to how much they are willing to take. I always refused splenectomy and am SO happy I did because of the direction my health went afterwards. Everything I feared about it ended up coming true, so that was one thing I did do right.

It's only been five months for you. I know that seems long, but it can take a person a year or so to finally get a remission. Hang in there!
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14 years 5 months ago #14967 by iam4ual
Replied by iam4ual on topic Re: question about ITP
Sandi,
Thank you so much! I like you am determined to keep my spleen. I have only been DX though for about 3 months not 5. I want to do like you. I can handle the DEX believe it or not. It really does not make me feel as bad as the prednisone did. If I do go back on prednisone though it will be a much lower dose and I like you will call the shots. My dr does not really like that but I will anyway.

I am going to find me another dr if I continue for the next year just so that I can get something like rituxan. My dr now will not do it without a splenectomy first. I have read that many times it does not work as well after a splenectomy so again I say I am keeping my .
spleen.

You have been so great to help me. I am much like you in the fact I am going to be proactive in my treatment. Why drs do not like that is just beyond me. But he will get over it.

I thank God for this site and for you! I have found out more here because all of you have lived it not just read a book about it like Doctors do.
Thank you Sandi..God is using you in such a mighty way to help others.
Shannon
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14 years 5 months ago #14969 by eklein
Replied by eklein on topic Re: question about ITP
I'm pretty sure we've had other people report drops after Cipro. Antibiotics cause some people to drop.
My counts went up and down at first before Rituxan. I never did a dex pulse or IVIG but WinRho or pred would boost them for a while, then less so after a couple of doses or cycles.
I've
Erica

And she was!
Diagnosed May 2005, lowest count 8K.
4/22/08: 43K (2nd Rituxan)
10/01/09: 246K, 1/8/10: 111K, 5/21/10: 233K
Latest count: 7/27/2015: 194K
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14 years 5 months ago #14970 by eklein
Replied by eklein on topic Re: question about ITP
That's pretty much why you hear people call it a roller coaster.
Erica

And she was!
Diagnosed May 2005, lowest count 8K.
4/22/08: 43K (2nd Rituxan)
10/01/09: 246K, 1/8/10: 111K, 5/21/10: 233K
Latest count: 7/27/2015: 194K
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14 years 5 months ago #14972 by iam4ual
Replied by iam4ual on topic Re: question about ITP
How long have you been in remission? Is your remission due to Rituxan?
Shannon
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14 years 5 months ago #14973 by eklein
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I've been in remission for about three years now from Rituxan.
Erica

And she was!
Diagnosed May 2005, lowest count 8K.
4/22/08: 43K (2nd Rituxan)
10/01/09: 246K, 1/8/10: 111K, 5/21/10: 233K
Latest count: 7/27/2015: 194K
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14 years 5 months ago #14979 by iam4ual
Replied by iam4ual on topic Re: question about ITP
Thank you Erica,
My dr will not use Rituxan without a splenectomy first and has never used Winrho. I cannot use winrho anyway but I did find it odd that he has not used it in 25yrs of practice. At any rate I am going to give the Dex a chance to pull me out of this. I have only had this for 3 months so maybe (with lots of prayers) I am not chronic. I am hoping this straightens itself out. I am NOT getting my spleen out after just 3 months. I want to wait because I read the other day that most people can get off the meds at some point and are in remission. Sometimes for long periods and some for not so long periods. Either way I will take it!
Shannon