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  • alisonp
25 Jan 2010 10:15
p.s. Michelle,

The exhausted tiredness was what I noticed about Dougie last week, so maybe a good sign before the physical symptoms set in?

Ali
  • alisonp
25 Jan 2010 10:13
Hi everyone

Thanks for the posts.

Well it turns out I do have some idea about his count after all - the result was 16.

I am a bit gutted - we seem to be back where we started almost. And it puts him back into the restricted activities area which will upset him too. I am just waiting for the hospital to phone back regarding what to do about his "adventure camp" school trip next week - they said it would be ok to book, so I hope they have some answers at this point in time.

Yours in despair (well a bit anyway)

Ali
  • dots
25 Jan 2010 10:01
Replied by dots on topic liam is starting school
This is the letter we gave to the head of our son's school when he started kindergarten, as well as all the staff who might be in contact with him. We have adapted it over the last few years, but it has all the information we wanted the school to have, since they didn't know him at all yet. We give them the letter every year, as he no longer gets tested weekly, and his infusions are less frequent. It's about two pages long.

I hope the school's administration is understanding and willing to work with you. The parents here have dealt with every possible situation at school, and are a great resource.

Good luck, and I hope Liam has a great time at school!
____________________________

We would like to give you some information about our son ________’s medical condition, immune thrombocytopenic purpura (ITP), a non-contagious blood disorder in which his platelets are destroyed by his immune system. The low platelet count predisposes him to easy bruising, which may occur after minor trauma or for no apparent reason; petechiae, pinpoint reddish-purple spots that often occur in groups and may look like a rash; and slow to resolve nosebleeds, which, gratefully, are rare. In children, ITP is usually acute and of short duration, but ______ was diagnosed in 2003, and has had it long enough for it to be considered chronic. It’s possible that it will resolve itself, as can happen even after several years. In the meantime, we’re learning to live with it.

Harry is under the regular care of Dr. __________, a hematologist at ________________, where we get his blood checked frequently, sometimes as often as once a week. His check-ups can take all morning, depending on whether the doctor is running late and/or ________ is willing to leave. (Yes, they have a great playroom.) Unfortunately, the doctor is often late for our appointments, since he sees his patients in the hospital before going to the clinic to see his outpatients.

__________ gets infusions of gamma globulin (IVIG) intravenously at the center every six weeks or so, and sometimes more frequently. The infusion procedure lasts all day, and there is no way to shorten the duration of the treatment. The IVIG surrounds his platelets so that they are not destroyed so quickly. In a healthy person, the normal range for the platelet count is 150,000 to 450,000; _______’s count is in the normal range after an infusion, after which it drops over time, sometimes precipitously, until it reaches 25,000 or less, and then he is infused again. Once his platelet level drops below 25,000, there is an extremely slight risk of intracranial hemorrhage (ICH), which is the primary reason we treat him.

This potential for intracranial bleeding is our greatest concern. Although very rare, an ICH can be fatal. If _________ hits his head or his neck, or if he is hit in the abdomen, you must contact us immediately, so we can determine whether he needs acute medical care. We also ask that you contact us if he is lethargic or vomiting, for the same reason. If he has a significant nosebleed, please call if it takes longer than ten minutes to stop, or if you notice any sudden, new, big bruises.

Depending on his platelet count, timing of treatment or ongoing bruising, we may limit or restrict ________’s activities, and we will keep you informed as necessary. There will be days when we won’t want him to participate in gym, and we will need to figure out alternatives ahead of time. As you have seen, _________ is a happy, active child, and we want him to be as active as his classmates. So far it hasn’t been necessary to inform the children in _________’s classes about his ITP, but that may change as they get older and as his friends notice that he misses more school than others in the class. We will make arrangements for someone to come to speak to the class if necessary.

The IVIG has not had any apparent effect on ________’s cognitive development. The treatment is not chemotherapy and there have been no other untoward effects. He has not required transfusions of any kind. He responds well to the treatments and they seem to hold him for about a month and a half at this point, as mentioned above, but the intervals have been as long as thirteen weeks and as short as four. He does not require the administration of any medication at school. We are always on the lookout for any emotional changes based on his frequent medical visits and treatments -- there don’t seem to be any that are significant.

We will keep you updated if there are any changes in _______’s needs. We have not yet determined whether any special accommodations will need to be made for him; if so, we will let you know and discuss with you as soon as possible.

_________’s safety is paramount. We appreciate your working with us to ensure his well-being. We are, of course, available to discuss any of this with you, and to answer any questions you or other staff may have. Please feel free to contact either of us at any time. __________’s doctors’ numbers are below as well for your reference.
  • gsh
25 Jan 2010 09:13
I'm so glad he's woken up. Way to go Steve! Thanks to his family for letting us know how he's doing. Thanks for posting updates, Sandi.
Giselle
  • xray001
25 Jan 2010 07:49
Ali - I hope that Dougie has a good count, but unfortunately, I dread that it will not be.

Isn't that just the thing that really sucks about this -- you can never really know from one day to the next.

Danica was 118 on Friday (which is normal for four days after IVIg), but her white cell count was low, meaning that she has a viral infection. She has been super tired all week, and now I know why.

She went water sliding on the weekend (friend's birthday party) and had fun, but was tired. I am wondering if she will bruise from the sliding. She bruised when she went tobogganing a couple of weeks ago. Nothing serious, but did bruise all the same.

Anxious to hear your results today.

Michelle
  • alisonp
25 Jan 2010 06:20
Angel85

Thats just exactly like I think with Dougie - for the first 6 months, I knew what symptoms went with what counts, but now I am "not so sure". Its helpful to know that petichiae can show at higher numbers though, because he has only got them before at quite low numbers.

Dougie had a count of 60 a fortnight ago, and I really hope its still somewhere near there. Just got back from a blood test, so we should know this afternoon anyway.

Thanks for the reply

Ali
  • CindyL
25 Jan 2010 06:09
Replied by CindyL on topic Best count in long time
  • CindyL
25 Jan 2010 06:07
Replied by CindyL on topic Best count in long time
Tamar, I go to the IV Day Hospital, which is a specialty clinic; there is also a blood lab that is strictly for regular blood tests.

I started going on Sundays because I don't like to drive in the winter and Steven doesn't work Sunday's, so he drives me.
  • Angel85
25 Jan 2010 04:04
Replied by Angel85 on topic liam is starting school
Hi Jenny,

Sorry you have had to find this forum, but it is a great resource for ITP and has wonderful helpful members. I am also from Australia, I live in Newcastle in NSW and I am 24 and have been dealing with low platelets all my life, so i can understand what Liam would be going through and that at his age he wouldn't be able to understand much of what his happening to him.

I am currently on prednisone at the moment and i hate it too, so i feel sorry for him having to have that at such a young age. I wouldn't let him stay on it for a long period of time, I had it for quite a long time when i was younger and i hated what it did to me and my mum also hated to see what it was doing to me too.

It is scary thinking about what could happen, but platelets at 20 and over, you can function normally and do most every day activities, so try not to worry too much and just let him enjoy being at school with the other kids and i'm sure his teachers will watch over him as well if you explain to them what he has. I have to admit even now at my age, my mother still worries about me when my platelets are really low and always says before i leave be careful, i think it is just a mother's job to worry about her kids.

I feel dissapointed every time my counts come back low, it feels like you have to start all over again.
  • Angel85
25 Jan 2010 03:39
I used to think so, but now i'm not so sure. My last platelet count was 76 last week and i have about 4 or 5 bruises on my legs and heaps of petichiae, more then what i had when they were at say 20, unless they have suddenly gone down, which i am hoping not cause i am still on 40mg of pred a day. I had another count done today, so i'll guess i will know in a day or two if they have gone up or down again.
  • Angel85
25 Jan 2010 03:32
Replied by Angel85 on topic Best count in long time
Thats Great Cindy, hopefully they stay around the same level, i'm still having weekly counts at the moment
  • liam12
25 Jan 2010 01:14
hi , my name is Jenny,my son Liam is 4 and a half,he has had itp for at least 10 months ,Liam gets purplish circles under his eyes and gets quite pale and tired along with a couple of extra bruising for good measure! his doctor says these symptoms are not typical of itp but every time he gets like this and even if his bruising has not gotten worst yet i am normally spot on that his levels have gone down. Jenny
  • liam12
25 Jan 2010 01:01
liam is starting school was created by liam12
hi,my mane is Jenny,my son Liam is 4 years old and was diagnosed with itp in April last year
his platelet levels were 7 .He has had all the other tests to rule out any other nasties,in the last 10 months he has had steroids ,wich are fine if you dont take into account the side effects or that the last time he was on them for one week his levels only went up to 40. Without the steroids his levels are consistently at around 20-25 give or take.Liam is due to start school this weekand i am more worried than ever about wether he will be ok,mid you he can hold his own as he has 2 older btothers.Liam is beig seen//treated at The Royal Childrens Hospital in Melbourne,Australia,his heamatologist reasures us he will be fine,I am absolutely petrified as i wont be with him to constantly remind him to slow down,stop climbing etc.. We have tried naturapaths and other herbs ,all to no avail.For some unknown reason i expected his levels to go up just before he started school,and when they didnt the dissapointment was nearly as bad as hearing it for the first time.Its been great to let off some steam and emotion.Thankyou,it would be great to hear from anyone,Jenny
  • tofer
24 Jan 2010 20:08
Replied by tofer on topic Steve a/k/a Gort (moved from old Forum)
Steve will be again in my prayers tonight & everyday. Until he can respond and tell us he's praying for us. <giggle>
Hang in there Steve.
  • Sandi
24 Jan 2010 18:45
Replied by Sandi on topic Treatments & Insurance
Pauline:

It all depends on the insurance company and the type of policy you have. I had Health Assurance and was denied...they wouldn't change their minds. Then I got switched to BC/BS and they denied at first, but approved after appeal.

I would think that you could appeal and win based on the fact that Caitlin has gone through most treatments with little result.
  • snowgoose
24 Jan 2010 18:26
Replied by snowgoose on topic Steve a/k/a Gort (moved from old Forum)
That is the first step in the battle won! Thank you God for answered prayers. Praying that you will continue making steps towards a full recovery Steve.

Love and prayers to you and your family

Vanessa :)

Thank you so much for passing on this good news Sandi.
  • alisonp
24 Jan 2010 16:56
Replied by alisonp on topic Treatments & Insurance
Hi Pauline

Your posts about insurance make me feel grateful for the NHS - thank you!

Having said that , there are also a lot of drugs that we would find it difficult to get on the NHS, either because they haven't been approved by NICE (national drugs approval body) or because the local health authority hasn't got sufficient funds. So for example, my dad has a form of bone marrow cancer called myeloma. He gets treatment with a new and very expensive drug that seems to work really effectively for him, but a friend of his who lives about 100 miles away from him can't get that drug because his local health authority won't pay for it! So this is probably just as much of a lottery in the UK.

Hope it isn't too difficult for you to get Caitlin's treatment approved anyway and that she has some improvement from it.

Ali
  • alisonp
24 Jan 2010 16:41
I am not sure that there will be a good answer to this, but I've decided to ask the question anyway.

Dougie has just got out of the shower. He has loads of petichiae on his legs and feet, and fewer over the rest of his body. He only used to get petichiae and bruising at counts under 10 or so, but then in October, he started getting bleeding under his skin (like a graze without the broken skin) from scratching or knocking himself at relatively high counts (20 to 30). I've just looked at his legs now, and although he hasn't got any of the raised bruises, a lot of his legs just look dirty. I thought he was still covered in mud from football and I unsuccessfully sent him back into the shower to try again with the soap, lol! But when I look closely, it is like bruising, but a long way under his skin.

I am losing confidence in my ability to work out what his count is, and therefore to decide what he should or shouldn't be doing at any point in time. This is becoming particularly difficult because his count has been all over the place in the past couple of months (between 33 and 123, but possibly lower at the moment). Today, for example, we let him play footie for his team today. Lots of hard tackles, although we've banned him from heading the ball ever since he got ITP. Now I am wondering whether we should have not let him do so because the consultant said he should'nt be playing competitively with a count under 30 - in my defence I didn't think it was anywhere near that bad until I saw him fresh from the shower!

So what I want to know is

a) whether ITP symptoms are consistent over time with your kids or do they change from month to month, and

b) if their symptoms are not consistent, how on earth do you decide what activities should be restricted or not at any point in time.

He is going for a blood test tomorrow anyway. I don't work Mondays so if he needs to go, I always try to arrange it then. But if his count continues to yo-yo like it has done recently, I need a better way of reading the symptoms because this continual testing just makes me paranoid!

Thanks for reading this stupidly long post,

Ali
  • tacmom
24 Jan 2010 14:32
Treatments & Insurance was created by tacmom
My work went under a new insurance plan this month. Do you know if most insurance companies would consider Rituxan a "medically necessary" treatment? I was trying to look through my insurance book and prescription book and I don't see any of the conventional therapies for ITP listed except for Prednisone and Imuran. Does your dr usually make the call to get Rituxan preauthorized or do you have to do it? I am trying to get the process started so we can get this infusion started for Caitlin.
  • tamar
24 Jan 2010 14:22
Replied by tamar on topic Best count in long time
That's great, Cindy. You get counts done on Sundays? It would be nice if we could do that here in the States.
  • CindyL
24 Jan 2010 14:18
Best count in long time was created by CindyL
I had my latest counts done today, and they are at 54! :cheer: The only down side to this count is that the last treatment I had was just 3 weeks ago. :( My next count is at the end of Feb. Hopefully there won't be much change!
  • CindyL
24 Jan 2010 14:16
Best count in long time was created by CindyL
I had my latest counts done today, and they are at 54! :cheer: The only down side to this count is that the last treatment I had was just 3 weeks ago. :( My next count is at the end of Feb. Hopefully there won't be much change!
  • CindyL
24 Jan 2010 13:12
Replied by CindyL on topic Steve a/k/a Gort (moved from old Forum)
I'm so glad to hear that Steve is awake and at least somewhat alert! I'll keep sending good thoughts and prayers to his family.

Thanks, Sandi!
  • lucidawn
24 Jan 2010 13:09
Replied by lucidawn on topic Caitlin's count
Congratulations to Caitlin! I'm glad they were able to change the routine for her so she could compete. She would have really been bummed to not be part of this victory. Let us know how the Rituxan goes. It was easy for Tim, though time consuming.
  • lucidawn
24 Jan 2010 13:02
Replied by lucidawn on topic Promacta
My son was on it for a little while, but took himself off without telling us recently. He said it makes him feel terrible, tired, like he's on cold medicine. He has also been complaining about his vision...didn't realize that was a side effect.

He's 16.5, btw.
24 Jan 2010 12:42
Thank you for posting this Sandi. I am so thankful Steve is awake and I will continue to pray all is well!!
  • Sandi
24 Jan 2010 12:34
Replied by Sandi on topic Steve a/k/a Gort (moved from old Forum)
Update! I received an e-mail from Steve's brother this morning. He forwarded an e-mail that Steve's wife sent to family and friends. Here it is:


Hello everyone. After a long wait, I have some good news to share. Steve woke up this morning. I was sitting in the chair next to his bed reading, and I looked over and he was staring at me. It was a shock, obviously -- no bells, no alarms, just open eyes for the first time in a long time. That's the good news (and it's great good news). The not so good news is that he can't speak. He responds to commands by blinking his eyes, so we know, as the doctor said "that he's in there." But he can't (or at least he hasn't) speak, and he can't move his hands, arms or legs when we ask him to do that. We don't know what damage has happened -- they will now start to do a lot of tests to try to determine that. They will do an MRI very soon to see how the brain surgery has healed and to see if there is any blood remaining. His platelet count continues to be poor, and we are talking to his ITP specialists about other options. Please pray that he won't have more bleeding in his brain. I am so frustrated with his ITP. I know what Steve would say -- "hey, ITP is easy, try cancer if you want to feel sorry for yourself." For now, I guess, he's awake, it appears that he survived the surgery, he's breathing on his own, and for all of that I am very happy. Now we hope and pray that he hasn't lost his memories.
  • Sandi
24 Jan 2010 11:52
Replied by Sandi on topic Steve a/k/a Gort (moved from old Forum)
I don't think I can move them. If I did, your replies would just be a copy and paste and it would look like I posted it.
  • tacmom
24 Jan 2010 10:01
Replied by tacmom on topic Caitlin's count
You are right "What if" it had been Caitlin that had gotten the concussion! I would have freaked out, definitely!! One thing that is much safer about our gym is that we always, always have a soft bouncy floor (not mats)...like the ones the gymnasts use to do their floor routine. It is actually a law now in Texas that all high schools must have a mat out when doing tumbling or stunts at all times, but the school that the other girl got her concussion at, was at a private school so I'm not sure the same laws apply. Caitlin's team mostly has high schoolers so if they are basing her, she is so easy for them to lift.

They WON first place yesterday at the competition AND they were the Grand Champions! We were so shocked and so excited!! It was our first time ever for the gym (we've been there since it opened because our friends own it) in 6 years that they got this title! Not only were we short a girl due to her concussion, but another one of our guys (we have two high school boys) was hurt with a dislocated shoulder so he only did the dance part and had help with some of the other girls when he had to lift up anyone. He sat down low in the back or off to the side when there was any tumbling done.

I am glad to hear that most people don't have a bad reaction to Rituxan. I truly hope that will be the case for Caitlin. I am sure we will find out tomorrow or Tuesday when Caitlin's first infusion will be. I talked to my mom, and she doesn't understand why they are doing so many treatments in such a short period of time. She thinks the hospital is just trying to make money off of me! It is so hard to explain ITP to other people when they keep saying "but she looks just fine, I don't see anything wrong with her"! I had my team leader call the dr Friday to find out what Caitlin's count was, and for the first time...she keeps telling me how bad she feels because she got to hear the nurse herself say "the count doesn't look good" "I just don't know what to say and I'm so sorry because I know how badly she wants to compete". (They have no idea that she did last week's and this week's competition and I'm too scared to tell them because then they'd think I'm a bad mom.) And maybe I am...but at least I know Caitlin is sooo happy right now!

She did have ALOT of joint pain last night with her knee and her shoulder. I asked her if she did something during the competition and she said no. I think I remember reading that coming off Prednisone can cause joint pain so I told her it was just from the medicine. She had a 10 minute nose bleed yesterday morning but it wasn't as bad as some of them have been, whew! It is still so hard to tell what is an ITP nosebleed and what is a normal nosebleed!
  • jgleepa
24 Jan 2010 08:30
Replied by jgleepa on topic Whats going to happen to the old forum
Yes, thank you.
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