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Can the Dengue Fever cure work for ITP? 11 years 4 months ago #7132

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www.tapgsm.com.ph/showthread.php?s=b822ae12827589ad351407f254135c90&t=100958&page=2
Clck the link, sorry if the people speak in filipino but there are some words im sure you'll be able to pick up. Anyway, whats being discussed is the cure for dengue and many are affirming that the gatas gatas/tawa tawa plant is effective.

This has come accross my path several times and many people have said this works. The plant/weedd is very common in the Phils and many testimonials have come from both doctors andpatients alike for Dengue cure.

Dengue is a sickness that comes from a mosquito bite, rarely does anyone die, but the symptoms are the same as ITP... low platelets. Internal Hemorages is usual Cause of death. The common practice here is that the patients who are bitten by Dengue Mosquitos are confined in a hospi and monitored for platelet count drops. In a bad case, platelet transfusion occurs, in worst cases IViG is administered.

A quick google search for dengue cure produces many results.

In search of a cure, or even a remedy that will help ITP,
Peter
Father of Tonio, 5yrs old, 20k plate count on 10 mgs prednisone
Father of Tonio, 8 yrs old w Chronic ITP

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Re:Can the Dengue Fever cure work for ITP? 11 years 4 months ago #7133

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Euphorbia hirta is the plant.

here's another link.... www.curelibrary.com/blog/health-notes/dengue-cure-using-tawa-tawa-aka-gatas-gatas/
Father of Tonio, 8 yrs old w Chronic ITP

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Re:Can the Dengue Fever cure work for ITP? 11 years 3 months ago #7835

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I tried taking this remedy when my ITP flared up while on vacation in the Philippines. This plant is a common weed in the Philippines and I drank glasses and glasses of it. At first, my platelets went up but I was also taking dexamethasone (decadron) at that time so most likely it was the dexamethasone.

I even brought several bottles of the brewed plant with me when I returned to the US. Sad to report though that after my dex pulse, even though I was still drinking the brewed plant, my platelet counts crashed so I stopped taking it.

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Re:Can the Dengue Fever cure work for ITP? 11 years 3 months ago #7858

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Same here, my son's count rose to 264k withot changing any other med except preds which he was on for a long time, then it went down again. Im going tio try the plant on myself and see where it gets my platelets
Father of Tonio, 8 yrs old w Chronic ITP

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Re:Can the Dengue Fever cure work for ITP? 11 years 3 months ago #7942

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I have come to conclude that this doesnt work. My sons last count as of hours ago is 20k, and thats with prednisone 10/5 mg alternating taper.

He has been on the herb for the longest time. Now its time to stop. My son had the same reaction too as people claim(sudden raise of platelets), but now it might be even worse than it was before.

Im going to try another experiment, on myself. And maybe, 3 days of heavy doses of this herb. The effect might be th temporary rise in platelets but not ableto sustain, i dont know...

will update again.
Father of Tonio, 8 yrs old w Chronic ITP

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Re:Can the Dengue Fever cure work for ITP? 11 years 3 months ago #7954

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Dear Athos,
Ihaven't any experience at all with this herb, so can't say one way or the other. But, I don't think you can accurately conclude anything when you are doing both the prednisone and herb at the same time. There is no way you can know what is causing the drop. In fact, that is one of the more common results of Pred, is that the counts drop lower than before treatment .

Also, don't give up too soon. Perhaps this is a good sign, even. I'm a homeopath, and I've treated quite a number of ITP patients now with homeopathic remedies (Including my own daughter). Each has needed a completely different remedy, as it is an individualized approach. But, what has been common is, in every single case, their counts have dropped significantly at first, before they rise to normal levels. Often,(But not always), they have felt and looked very good , even though their counts are low.
I wonder if the smae might be going on here?

April

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Re:Can the Dengue Fever cure work for ITP? 11 years 3 months ago #7959

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april wrote:

Often,(But not always), they have felt and looked very good , even though their counts are low.
I wonder if the smae might be going on here?

April


yup, my son looked good, no nose bleeds at this range(hope i dont speak too soon). Its the first time we are at 20k without heavy bruising and bleeding. And youre right, im sure the tapering had to do with the lower counts. He looks well and i was so positive that he'd get high counts.... oh well.
Father of Tonio, 8 yrs old w Chronic ITP

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Re:Can the Dengue Fever cure work for ITP? 11 years 3 months ago #7968

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Athos, I wouldn't give up on it too soon. Maybe keep it up for a bit longer. How long has he been taking the herb? I say this especially because you say he's not having the usual symptoms as when his counts are at this low. Like I said, this is what I've observed in many patients, now. It's like the body is "rebooting" or something. In a short time, the platelets rise. Or, maybe just see what his body can do on it's own, with no treatment. It seems that most doctors don't treat unless counts are below 20k, and if he's not having symptoms, would seem safe to do so. Of course, check with your doctor first. Might also depend on how safe you think you can keep a 5 year old boy, but I know there are a few in the children's section that are doing 'watch and wait' with not much problems. I'm not sure what country you're in, but in most countries outside of the United States, that seems to be more of the approach anyway.

Good luck,
April

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Re:Can the Dengue Fever cure work for ITP? 11 years 3 months ago #7969

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Athos, I wouldn't give up on it too soon. Maybe keep it up for a bit longer. How long has he been taking the herb? I say this especially because you say he's not having the usual symptoms as when his counts are at this low. Like I said, this is what I've observed in many patients, now. It's like the body is "rebooting" or something. In a short time, the platelets rise. Or, maybe just see what his body can do on it's own, with no treatment. It seems that most doctors don't treat unless counts are below 20k, and if he's not having symptoms, would seem safe to do so. Of course, check with your doctor first. Might also depend on how safe you think you can keep a 5 year old boy, but I know there are a few in the children's section that are doing 'watch and wait' with not much problems. I'm not sure what country you're in, but in most countries outside of the United States, that seems to be more of the approach anyway.

Good luck,
April

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Re:Can the Dengue Fever cure work for ITP? 11 years 3 months ago #7981

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Thanks, April. I live in a 3rd world country where there's no medical coverage for ITP and the only treatments offered are IViG and Prednisone :) (althougn youll be amazed at all the nice cars and shopping malls here in Manila). IVig never lasted more than a month in 4 tries and preds, well, everyone knows the ugliness of preds. Thats why i'm looking to other safe and herbal remedies. Really not after a miraculous cure, just a good supplement.

Splenectomy immediately comes after the first two options, so im not so hot on geting that done and im hoping that a really good remedy/cure/treatment comes along during his lifetime.

More platelets to everyone. :)
Father of Tonio, 8 yrs old w Chronic ITP

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Re:Can the Dengue Fever cure work for ITP? 11 years 3 months ago #7989

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Althos

You say you live in the third world and the only medical treatment offered for ITP is IVIG and steroids.

I live in UK and that is precisely my treatment when I need it :-} It can take time for some but has worked for me with an 8 year remission so far. Though I only have had short bursts of idiopathic TP!

Just want to reassure you that you may be in a third world country but I for one am getting that precise treatment. I hope it reassures you about the medical aspect of it.

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Re:Can the Dengue Fever cure work for ITP? 11 years 3 months ago #7991

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Dear Athos,

Just as Rhiannon says, when my daughter was diagnosed 6 1/2 years ago, the protocol here was basically first, WinRho (which almost killed her, as she went into anaphylactic shock), then she was given IVIG, which only worked very minimally for a few days. She was given IVIG weekly, with severe side effects each time, but we were filled with the fear of God if we didn't treat. It seemed that their usual progression of treatment would then be prednisone, and then a spleenectomy, if that failed to work. The both of us refused the latter two treatments, so we continued on with the weekly IVIG. If I had to do it over again, I would have never subjected my daughter to that at all! At that time, I had no computer access, and had only minimal information from the hospital on ITP. So, the fact that you have access to all of this information at the touch of a key is quite wonderful! At least you can hear many other's experiences, and learn from them.

As I was in the middle of my studies as a homeopath, naturally, that was what I pursued for her, and for us, it worked quite quickly and quite miraculously (After months of having <10k, her platelets went from 11k to 411k in four days!) Her platelets have never dropped since, and many other aspects of her health and behavior were almost immediately improved as well. You can read her entire story over on the Original Discussion group forum, under Natural Treatments, with the heading of Homeopathic Doctor.

Homeopathy could be something you might want to look into. There is a very good homeopathic doctor in Malaysia, by the name of Dr. FHLew. You can do a search on him on www.hpathy.com I'm not sure if he himself would take on an ITP patient, as I believe he's in charge of the surgical unit there (BTW, they use only homeopathic medicines for nearly everything, with excellent results.) But, I'm sure he could refer you to another homeopath, if not. I'm not sure how feasible traveling to Malaysia would be for you, but it might be a start, and could really help your little boy.

Best wishes

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Re:Can the Dengue Fever cure work for ITP? 11 years 2 months ago #8692

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Good day everyone,

i am new here my name is jhune tan and I leave here in san pedro laguna, Philippines. i have an itp since 2003, i am 34 yrs old, i don't know what happened back then when i got this rare disease, i don't drink any alcohol even i hate to smoke i don't do drugs, by the way i am working a seafarer before now i don't because of this platelet disorder. since then i drink pred until 2006, some miracle happened to me back june 2006 i went to a Chinese doctor (dermatology) to check my acne that appeared while i am taking prednisone, she ask me why i am taking this corticosteroid, i said i have this low platelet since 2003 and she replied to me and said why don't you try this vegetables maybe it will help you to raise your platelet, so i went to market and find this "WATERCRESS" and only market here in the philippines you can buy is in Aranque. the lady doctor told me that just boiled it and eat the vegetable, so idi. after 1 week on watercress and 60mg of pred my platelet went up from 70k to 120k so the oncology doctor told me that we have to decrease the pred from 60mg to 50mg and ask me to comeback after 2 weeks with a result of cbc, after 2 weeks with pred and watercress it went up again from 120k to 170k, i am so happy bec. it this is the first time that i am decreasing the pred my platelet went up and then the oncology doctor decrease to 40k after 2 weeks my platelet went up from 170k to 210k, this is miracle huh.. for the 1st time i reached that high. so again decrease until i stop the pred for 2 weeks my platelet went up from the maximum amount of 452k my oncology can't believe it but its on the lab test. so she told me that i have to check monthly my cbc so i did my 1st month without pred my normal platelet is 253k. i believe its on the watercress. i would like to share to all of you that you have to try this. every meal you have to eat watercress.since 2006 till oct 2008 my platelet never went down...


but something happened to me nov 2008, me and my wife want to have a child 8 years we been married we don't have a child because she has a policystic ovary so she heard to her friend in the us that she has the same thing problem but she got pregnant when she went to a acupuncturist so my wife search to find doctor the know, so she found here in quezon city and i told her i need to drink a vitamin e so it will help my sperm production count so i did and my wife got pregnant we are so happy but i sacrifice my health to have a daughter. and now i went back to prednisone but in low mg taken for 5mg a day. and also the acupuncture will help to increase your platelet count because i tried it but i stop it because it is cheaper to buy a pred than to pay the acupuncture doctor, i always spend 1k for 1 session i can't do that i have to spend that money to buy a milk for my baby that to give it to my self. and plus the expenses that you will spend from travelling from my destination to a acupuncturist.

and today i suffered from dengue.... but i survive i never went to a hospital to treat because i thought the fever is only a flu but with headache and diarrhea my fever last for 3 days and i have a gum bleeding and have rushes my forearm my legs and some small dot of blood from the skin i know my platelet is went very low but i have to fight this for my family. today i am writing this i don't have fever the red dot disappeared slowly and the rushes also disappeared. i know that God always with me and never leave me.

sorry for the bad english and grammar thank you. this is only base on my experience.

best regards,
Jhune

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Re:Can the Dengue Fever cure work for ITP? 11 years 2 months ago #8720

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Hi Jun, pinoy di ako taga maynila.

Welcome to the boards.

Glad to hear regarding your experinece with watercress, hope you will be able to manage your ITP for you and your family's sake.

As for the dengue fever medicine, it has not been working for my son. Although i continue to make him drink the tea.... Hoping not for a miracle, but only for a few more thousand platelets. You are the first case i heard of who had ITP and also dengue. Very dangeous combination. Glad to hear you were able to cope with that situation
Father of Tonio, 8 yrs old w Chronic ITP

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Re:Can the Dengue Fever cure work for ITP? 11 years 2 months ago #8732

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Hello sir athos45,


thanks for welcoming me here, even me i can't believe that i survive for this dengue for 5 days, my fever only takes for 3 days but the rushes and blood dot on my skin is still visible on my legs, maybe because God always with me and help me to fight the dengue without going to hospital. :cheer: i am now with 15mg a day of prednisone 5mg 3x a day, without the present of the hematology. i ca't afford to go to a private hema to consult, still they will advised you to take pred and off course bone marrow. i have been 2x to examine my bone marrow. it is very very hurt thats why i don't want to do it anymore, by the way how's your son doing? how much platelet he have? why don't you try to give him a water cress?

good luck to both of us and God Bless

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Re:Can the Dengue Fever cure work for ITP? 11 years 2 months ago #8756

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i would like to try watercress too , i live in usa how can i get it, how can i give it to my son

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Re:Can the Dengue Fever cure work for ITP? 11 years 2 months ago #8759

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Try to look for it in the supermarket or the Wet Market.. Wash the watercress first then cut its roots, then boil water first before adding the vegetable ...(cook just enough for him to eat in every meal) cook it for about 5-10minutes don't cover the pan allow it to boil but don't over cook it... after that strain and drain and let your son eat it every meal.. continue giving his prednisone and taper it's dosage for a week then after 2 weeks have his blood checked and tell me about the results .. hope this will help your son ...GodBless!

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Re:Can the Dengue Fever cure work for ITP? 11 years 2 months ago #8802

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Watercress at my store is in with the fresh vegetables. It is bitter raw I think, have had it in salads - never thought to cook it.

jhune best wishes to you and congratulations on your beautiful daughter!

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Re:Can the Dengue Fever cure work for ITP? 11 years 2 months ago #8810

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thanks ms. melinda, watercress have a lot of nutrients that will our body. needed i have no regrets sacrificing my health to have an angel in our home. and i know God always look on us and never leave us just keep on praying. He will heal us and guide us.

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Re:Can the Dengue Fever cure work for ITP? 1 year 10 months ago #68359

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Sir jhune, im a daughter of an ITP patient and i read ur confession here and ur story, ive been praying to see any stories that could be an inspiration and i find yours very inspiring..is really watercress effective in itp?thankyou and hoping for ur reply.godbless

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Re:Can the Dengue Fever cure work for ITP? 1 year 10 months ago #68360

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Sir is watercress a "kangkong vegetable?.thanks

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