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Autoimmune Disorders Exploding 3 years 5 months ago #55242

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These are the ingredients in the tetanus - Tdap.

Tdap (Adacel)

aluminum phosphate, formaldehyde, glutaraldehyde, 2-phenoxyethanol,
ammonium sulfate, Stainer-Scholte medium, dimethyl-beta-cyclodextrin,
modified Mueller’s growth medium, Mueller-Miller casamino acid
medium (without beef heart infusion)

Tdap (Boostrix)
formaldehyde, glutaraldehyde, aluminum hydroxide, polysorbate 80
(Tween 80), Latham medium derived from bovine casein, Fenton medium
containing a bovine extract, Stainer-Scholte liquid medium

www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf


This is the package insert for Adacel:

13.1 Carcinogenesis, Mutagenesis, Impairment of Fertility

Adacel vaccine has not been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential, or impairment of fertility.

druginserts.com/lib/other/meds/adacel-tdap/page/2/

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Autoimmune Disorders Exploding 3 years 5 months ago #55245

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Melinda, I did watch your video and bookmarked the page.

Sandi, that is quite a bit to digest!! But I did read it. That being said, I am usually very careful when I get a vaccine as I do react to them in some way. When i did get my tetnus shot earlier this year, it was an emergency situation as my finger was infected from our parrot biting it (and probably broke the finger!). I get infections and staff infections very quickly and need to act fast. Or, I end up with blood poisoning.

And, like I had mentioned, my friend, who use to be a PA is very allergic to any type of Mercury. So, she also stays away from vaccines. When I was a kid, they didn't make us get a lot of vaccines like to do today. I remember getting the polio and maybe another and that was it. I did get Tetnus before.

Before I get another one, I will research the ingredients for sure!!

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Autoimmune Disorders Exploding 3 years 5 months ago #55254

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DeeDee:

I got a tetanus shot at the ER five years ago when I rammed my arm into a rusty nail. I now regret it. Tetanus is very rare if you wash the wound immediately and it is treatable. As far as infection, all they did was put Neosporin on it which I could have just done myself. That is a decision that everyone has to make on their own.

I have uploaded the current vaccine schedule with a comparison to 1983. It is out of control, and they are working on even more. They are also trying to mandate vaccines for both children and adults. It is a complete mystery to me why they vaccinate newborns within hours of birth with the Hep B vaccine. Just test the mother. If she is clean, there is no reason to inject a baby with a vaccine when they have ZERO chance of contracting Hep B. Something is really wrong here.

I have read so many articles stating that polio was already dying out when the vaccine was developed. I've seen disease graphs depicting that. It may have burned itself out anyway like scarlett fever and the bubonic plague. I have also read articles about people getting polio after the vaccine, and that polio still exists, they just call it Guillain Barre' or Transverse Myelitis now. Just some valid points to ponder. The more I read, the more interesting it gets.
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Autoimmune Disorders Exploding 3 years 5 months ago #55264

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I don't think it will surprise anyone that I take comfort in being able to look up a list of ingredients for a vaccine, and then have confidence that if I get that vaccine that is what is going into my body...consistent with what everyone else who gets that vaccine is getting.

It amazes me that the loosely regulated OTC supplements are more attractive to some...but there's lots that amazes me about others, especially these days. Anyone read this month's Consumer Reports (a magazine that takes no advertising dollars and so has no "dog in the fight"?)/

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Autoimmune Disorders Exploding 3 years 5 months ago #55267

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Sandy,

I know I shouldn't have gotten the Tetnus shot. But, I had looked up information and was a little scared at the time. And, my finger was all infected and looking bad--so I jumped the gun--so to speak. Don't usually do that. I'm one not to get too much of anything--unless absolutely necessary.

But, it is strange, because I do give my horses their West Nile vaccine every year as a few of my neighbor's horses died of West Nile....while my horses have been very healthy. We live near the riverbed and have a lot of masquitoes.

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Tamar:

I'm careful with every supplement I take. I look at ingredients and make sure it's a reputable company. I mainly just take vitamins.

I don't know that vaccines are all that consistent. Last year, there was a 'bad batch' in Mexico. Two babies died and twenty-nine were very ill. There was also a 'bad batch' of H1N1 in Canada in 2009 which caused anaphylaxis. GSK recalled them. In 2014, 50 children in Syria died as a result of a bad batch. In 2010, one child died and many got ill after a bad batch of Fluvax in Austraila.

I am very glad that the ingredients are listed too, but I don't feel comfortable with the ingredients themselves. When the polio vaccine came out in the 60's, it contained monkey kidney cells which were contaminated with the SV-40 virus which is cancer causing. Millions of people were vaccinated with it (I am probably one of them). There is no way to know what viruses are in the animal organs that they use. For all we know, this was how AIDS began. I don't think there is anything wrong with questioning instead of assuming.

No, I haven't read Consumer reports. Which article?

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DeeDee:

If you felt more comfortable having the vaccine then by all means, do it. :)

The only vaccine I get for my three dogs is the rabies because it's mandatory. So far they are all very healthy, the oldest is 10. My last dog who passed away a few years ago got all the vaccines. She was sick for most of her life with seizures, constant bladder stones and Cushings Disease.

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Also, there is too much trust for the drug companies. Did you guys know about this? It's all about the money.


This article presents an overlooked case of research misconduct and violations of basic principles of medical and business ethics. When Bayer's Cutter Laboratories realized that their blood products, Factor VIII and IX or antihemophiliac factor (AHF), were contaminated with human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), the financial investment in the product was considered too high to destroy the inventory. Cutter misrepresented the results of its own research and sold the contaminated AHF to overseas markets in Asia and Latin America without the precaution of heat treating the product recommended for eliminating the risk. As a consequence, hemophiliacs who infused the HIV-contaminated Factor VIII and IX tested positive for HIV and developed AIDS.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24785997



US government allows Bayer(Drug manufacturers) to dumps product contaminated with AIDS viral in to the US market? AIDS Viral Contaminated products in Drugs were sent on to France, Spain, Japan & Latin America. All for a Profit, Families and Children are targeted. www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg-52mHIjhs show more
Update: So this is all made up?

Bayer Documents: AIDS Tainted Blood Killed Thousands of Hemophiliacs

Thu, 22 May 2003

An examination of internal Bayer company documents by The New York Times reveals that the company was engaged in unsavory, probably criminal marketing practices. The documents reveal that Bayer continued to sell contaminated blood plasma causing thousands of hemophiliac patients to be infected with AIDS. The company continued to sell the contaminated blood in Asia for over a year when it had already introduced a safer, heated blood plasma version in the US and Europe in February 1984.


uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101022162913AAcymnr


www.cbsnews.com/news/bayer-admits-it-paid-millions-in-hiv-infection-cases-just-not-in-english/




www.cbsnews.com/news/bayer-admits-it-paid-millions-in-hiv-infection-cases-just-not-in-english/

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Sandi wrote: Tamar:

I'm careful with every supplement I take. I look at ingredients and make sure it's a reputable company. I mainly just take vitamins.

I don't know that vaccines are all that consistent. Last year, there was a 'bad batch' in Mexico. Two babies died and twenty-nine were very ill. There was also a 'bad batch' of H1N1 in Canada in 2009 which caused anaphylaxis. GSK recalled them. In 2014, 50 children in Syria died as a result of a bad batch. In 2010, one child died and many got ill after a bad batch of Fluvax in Austraila.

I am very glad that the ingredients are listed too, but I don't feel comfortable with the ingredients themselves. When the polio vaccine came out in the 60's, it contained monkey kidney cells which were contaminated with the SV-40 virus which is cancer causing. Millions of people were vaccinated with it (I am probably one of them). There is no way to know what viruses are in the animal organs that they use. For all we know, this was how AIDS began. I don't think there is anything wrong with questioning instead of assuming.

No, I haven't read Consumer reports. Which article?


www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2016/09/index.htm

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www.consumerreports.org/vitamins-supplements/supplements-can-make-you-sick/

Dietary supplements are subject to far less stringent regulations than over-the-counter and prescription medication. The FDA classifies them differently from drugs. So the companies that make and sell them aren’t required to prove that they’re safe for their intended use before selling them, or that they work as advertised, or even that their packages contain what the labels say they do.

And because of those lax policies, supplements that make their way into retail stores, doctors’ offices, and hospitals can pose a number of potential problems. They can be ineffective, contaminated with microbes or heavy metals, dangerously mislabeled, or intentionally spiked with illegal or prescription drugs. They can also cause harmful side effects by themselves and interact with prescription medication in ways that make those drugs less effective.

A Powerful Industry Is Born
Our modern love of dietary supplements began in 1970 when Linus Pauling, the chemist and two-time Nobel Prize winner, declared that taking 3,000 mg of vitamin C every day could abolish the common cold. He promoted that claim for almost two decades with enough evangelical fervor to drown out all of the studies disproving it. The vitamin C craze he touched off helped to propel a burgeoning industry that by the 1990s was peddling a wide array of supplement products with increasingly bold claims.

When the FDA stepped in to regulate, the industry fought back. Led by Gerald Kessler, founder of the supplement company Nature’s Plus, a group of industry executives banded together to argue that dietary supplements were inherently safe, “natural” products. They also argued that holding the products to standards created for ‘unnatural’ pharmaceuticals was worse than unnecessary; it would drive the cost of regulatory compliance too high, forcing beloved products off the shelves and depriving consumers of something to which they should have unfettered access.

Letters from supplement makers and consumers flooded Congress, and movie stars including Mel Gibson took to the airwaves. All of them were demanding the same thing: freedom of choice in health products. “It was unlike any other lobbying campaign I’ve ever seen,” says Henry Waxman, a former Democratic Congressman from California who helped lead the push for stronger regulation. “People believed what they were being told because it fed into their view that doctors, pharmaceutical companies, and the FDA wanted to block alternative medicines that could keep people healthy. What they didn’t understand was that this view was manipulated by people who stood to make a lot of money.”

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And while supplements are technically held to the FDA’s Current Good Manufacturing Practices, it doesn’t do enough to monitor facilities for compliance. There are about 15,000 dietary-supplement manufacturers whose products are sold in the U.S., according to a 2015 study in the journal Drug Testing and Analysis. Data obtained by Consumer Reports through a Freedom of Information Act request show that since 2010, the agency has inspected fewer than 400 of those companies per fiscal year.

Part of the problem is a lack of resources. Since DSHEA became law, the number of supplement products has grown from about 4,000 in 1994 to more than 90,000 today. The FDA’s budget to monitor supplements hasn’t grown in tandem. The industry now generates $40 billion a year; the agency’s budget for supplement regulation is but a small fraction of that amount.
So, if autoimmune conditions are exploding, perhaps the explosion of unregulated supplements has something to do with it. I will continue to bet on the treatments that have been through significant research/clinical trials and that have adequate oversight. The fact that we're able to quote statistics about adverse effects is just one benefit of the regulation.

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So, if autoimmune conditions are exploding, perhaps the explosion of unregulated supplements has something to do with it.


Maybe you have a bias. :unsure:

Real food might be the answer?? Do you cook your own meals? Eat greens daily etc. Its not rocket science. Common sense maybe??

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Autoimmune Disorders Exploding 3 years 5 months ago #55282

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DeeDee Marie why should you not have gotten the tetanus shot - what if you had been in the percentage of those who do get tetanus? It's out there - you took precautions. You do what you have to do, you do what you feel is right.

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tamar wrote: www.consumerreports.org/vitamins-supplements/supplements-can-make-you-sick/

Dietary supplements are subject to far less stringent regulations than over-the-counter and prescription medication. The FDA classifies them differently from drugs. So the companies that make and sell them aren’t required to prove that they’re safe for their intended use before selling them, or that they work as advertised, or even that their packages contain what the labels say they do.”


No argument here. I'm certainly not going to argue for the safety of supplements. I've been saying this for years. I'm not a supplement pusher in the least and only take vitamins and minerals because I have deficiencies. But I don't think it's the main reason for the explosion of illnesses.

The death rate in the United States rose last year for the first time in a decade, preliminary federal data show, a rare increase that was driven in part by more people dying from drug overdoses, suicide and Alzheimer’s disease. The death rate from heart disease, long in decline, edged up slightly.

Death rates — measured as the number of deaths per 100,000 people — have been declining for years, an effect of improvements in health, disease management and medical technology.

While recent research has documented sharp rises in death rates among certain groups — in particular less educated whites, who have been hardest hit by the prescription drug epidemic — increases for the entire population are relatively rare.

Federal researchers cautioned that it was too early to tell whether the rising mortality among whites had pushed up the overall national death rate. (Preliminary data is not broken down by race, and final data will not be out until later this year.) But they said the rise was real, and while it is premature to ring an alarm now, if it continues, it could be a signal of distress in the health of the nation.


“We are not accustomed to seeing death rates increase on a national scale,” said Andrew Fenelon, a researcher at the C.D.C. who did not work on the paper. “We’ve seen increases in mortality for some groups, but it is quite rare to see it for the whole population.”

He added that it would drag the United States further behind its European peers: “Many countries in Europe are witnessing declines in mortality, so the gap between the U.S. and other countries is growing.”

Others said the finding seemed to fit the broader pattern of rising mortality among working-class whites, a trend that has drawn significant attention recently. Last year, a paper by Anne Case and Angus Deaton documented rising death rates among middle-age white Americans, particularly those with no more than a high school education. Other research has found rising rates among younger whites.


Chronic diseases like cancer and heart disease take by far the most American lives, far more, for example, than suicide or homicide, so any change in such causes can have a big effect on the final numbers. Dr. Anderson pointed out that the death rate from heart disease, which had been declining for decades — and offsetting the rises in drug deaths, for example — flattened. That gives other causes of death more of an influence, Dr. Anderson said, as they are no longer being offset by declines from heart disease.

The death rate from heart disease stood at 167.1 in 2015, up from 166.7 in 2014, though the rise was not statistically significant. It was the first time since 1993 that the rate did not decline, Dr. Anderson said.


The death rate from suicides rose to 13.1 in the third quarter of 2015, from 12.7 in the same quarter of 2014. (The last quarter of 2015 data was not yet available for suicides.)

The same was true for drug overdoses, whose data the report had for only the first two quarters of 2015. The death rate for overdoses rose to 15.2 in the second quarter of 2015, compared with 14.1 in the same quarter of 2014. The rate for so-called unintentional injuries, which include drug overdoses and car accidents, rose to 42 in the third quarter of 2015, up from 39.9 in the same quarter of 2014.

The rate for Alzheimer’s disease was also up, rising to 29.2 in 2015, compared with 25.4 in 2014, the continuation of some years of increases. Dr. Anderson said that part of the rise was more precise reporting of Alzheimer’s on death certificates, but that overall dementia-related deaths had increased over time.

www.nytimes.com/2016/06/01/health/american-death-rate-rises-for-first-time-in-a-decade.html?_r=0

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This is also interesting, speaking of rises in death rates:

According to evidence unearthed from the archives of the EPA in the United States, it has been established that Monsanto was fully aware of the potential of glyphosate to cause cancer in mammals as long ago as 1981.

Recently the WHO's International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) issued a statement in which glyphosate (the main component of Roundup herbicide) was classified as "probably carcinogenic" to humans and as "sufficiently demonstrated" for genotoxicity in animals.

This announcement of a change to toxicity class 2A was given vast coverage in the global media, causing Monsanto to move immediately into damage limitation mode. The corporation demanded the retraction of the report, before it was even published!

Predictably, there was more fury from the industry-led Glyphosate Task Force. This Task Force also sponsored a 'rebuttal' review article from a team of writers with strong links with the biotechnology industry.

But because of the clear bias demonstrated in this paper (which suggests that glyphosate has no carcinogenic potential in humans) it is best ignored until it has been carefully scrutinized by independent researchers.

EPA and Monsanto conspired to keep the evidence secret

With Monsanto continuing to protest that glyphosate and Roundup are effectively harmless if used according to instructions, in spite of accumulating evidence to the contrary, we undertook a search through Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) records with a view to finding out what was known about glyphosate at the time of its initial registration.

This followed up earlier investigations by Sustainable Pulse which highlighted a sudden change in the EPA view on toxicity in 1991. What was discovered was very revealing. There were many animal experiments (using rats, mice and dogs) designed to test the acute and chronic toxicity of glyphosate in the period 1978-1986, conducted by laboratories such as Bio/Dynamics Inc for Monsanto and submitted for EPA consideration.

Two of these reports relate to a three-generation reproduction study in rats (here and here). Another is referred to in 'Safety Evaluation and Risk Assessment of the Herbicide Roundup and Its Active Ingredient, Glyphosate, for Humans' as "Lankas, G. R. (1981). A Lifetime Feeding Study of Glyphosate (Roundup Technical) in Rats. Unpublished report, Bio/Dynamics, Inc., East Millstone, NJ."

No surprise that the article concludes that "under present and expected conditions of new use, there is no potential for Roundup herbicide to pose a health risk to humans." But the Lifetime Feeding Study remains unpublished and treated as a Trade Secret, unavailable for independent scrutiny.

That in itself is suggestive that the studies contain data which Monsanto still does not wish to be examined by experts in the toxicology field. It is also deeply worrying that EPA acceded to the routine Monsanto requests for secrecy on the flimsiest of pretexts.

However, archived and accessible EPA Memos from the early 1980's do give some indications as to what the rat studies contain. Although the studies predate the adoption of international test guidelines and GLP standards they suggest that there was significant damage to the kidneys of the rats in the three-generational study: the incidence of tubular dilation in the kidney was higher in every treated group of rats when compared to controls.

Tubular dilation and nephrosis was also accompanied by interstitial fibrosis in all test groups and in some of the lumens the researchers found amorphous material and cellular debris. Less than a third of the control rats showed signs of tubular dilation.

In the rat study results, the changes in the bladder mucosa are significant because metabolites, concentrated by the kidneys, have led to hyperplasia that could be considered as a very early and necessary step in tumour initiation.

EPA was worried in 1981 that these indications were sinister, and at first declined to issue a NOEL (no observed adverse effect level), asking for further information and additional research. In its 1982 Addendum, Monsanto presented evidence that minimised the effects and confused the data - and on that basis EPA accepted that glyphosate was unlikely to be dangerous.

But Monsanto knew that scrutiny of the data in the studies would potentially threaten its commercial ambitions, and so it asked for the research documents concerned to be withheld and treated as 'trade secrets'. So there was no effective independent scrutiny. Monsanto and EPA connived in keeping these documents away from unbiased expert assessment, in spite of the evidence of harm.

EPA dismissed fears as 'a mystery'

It is clear that EPA was thinking about carcinogenic effects - it knew in 1981 that glyphosate caused tumorigenic growth and kidney disease but dismissed the finding as "a mystery" in order to set the NOEL for the chemical and bring it to market.

In the rat studies, the glyphosate doses fed to the test groups were 1/100 of those used in a later mouse study. It is unclear why these very small doses were decided upon by Monsanto and accepted by EPA, since there must be a suspicion that the studies were manipulated or designed to avoid signs of organ damage.

In its 1986 Memo, EPA remarked on the very low doses, and said that no dose tested was anywhere near the 'maximally tolerated dose'. Then the Oncogenicity Peer Review Committee said: "At doses close to an MTD, tumours might have been induced." A repeat rat study was asked for.

However, Bio/Dynamics (which conducted the research for Monsanto) used data from three unrelated studies, which they conducted in house, as historical controls to create 'experimental noise' and to diminish the importance of the results obtained by experiment.

In an unpublished 1983 mouse study conducted by Bio/Dynamics Inc for Monsanto (10), and submitted to the EPA, there was a slight increase in the incidence of renal tubular adenomas (benign tumours) in males at the highest dose tested. Malignant tumours were found in the higher dose group.

However, "it was the judgment of two reviewing pathologists that the renal tumors were not treatment-related". Other effects included centrilobular hypertrophy and necrosis of hepatocytes, chronic interstitial nephritis, and proximal tubule epithelial cell basophilia and hypertrophy in females.

The EPA committee determined there was a "weak oncogenic response" - so evidence was suggestive of early malignancy. The EPA Science Advisory Panel was asked for advice, and they said the data were equivocal and called for further studies in mice and rats.

Confusion by an excess of data

A further report was delivered in 1985. Part of the reason for this dithering was the prevalent but false EPA belief that all physiological effects had to be dose-related: namely, the higher the dose, the greater the effect.

Even though pre-cancerous conditions were imperfectly understood 35 years ago, and cortical adenomas in kidney were not thought dangerous at the time, the evidence from the Memos is that Monsanto, Bio/Dynamics Inc and the EPA Committees involved were fully aware, probably before 1981, of the carcinogenic potential of glyphosate when fed to mammals.

In the Memos there are references to many more "secret" animal experiments and data reviews, which simply served to confuse the regulators with additional conflicting data. Thus EPA publicly accepted the safety assurances of the Monsanto Chief of Product Safety, Robert W. Street, and the status of the product was confirmed for use in the field.

But behind the scenes, according to a later EPA memo (in 1991), its own experts knew before 1985 that glyphosate causes pancreatic, thyroid and kidney tumors. On the EPA website (last updated 31/10/2014) reference is made to five Monsanto studies of 1980 - 1985, and it is noteworthy that these studies have not been made public in the light of current knowledge about malignant tumours and pre-cancerous conditions.

Neither have they been revisited or reinterpreted by Monsanto and EPA, although one 1981 rat study and one 1983 mouse study are mentioned in the recent review by Greim et al (2015). Following the conclusion that glyphosate was "not classifiable as to human carcinogenicity" nothing in the EPA advice about this chemical has changed since 1990.

Given the recent assessment by the WHO Panel, and given the flood of scientific papers relating to health damage associated with glyphosate (here, here and here) the EPA attitude smacks of complacency and even incompetence.

They knew - and they knew they knew

"The evidence shows that by 1981 both Monsanto and the EPA were aware of malignant tumours and pre-cancerous conditions in the test animals which were fed small doses of glyphosate in the secret feeding experiments", says Dr Brian John of GM-Free Cymru.

"Although concerns were expressed at the time by EPA committees, these concerns were later suppressed under the weight of conflicting evidence brought forward by Monsanto, some of it involving the inappropriate use of historical control data of dubious quality. None of these studies is available for independent examination. That is a scandal in itself. There has been a protracted and cynical cover-up in this matter.

"Glyphosate is a 'probable human carcinogen', as now confirmed by the WHO Working Group, and no matter what protestations may now come from Monsanto and the EPA, they have been fully aware of its potential to cause cancer for at least 35 years.

"If they had acted in a precautionary fashion back then, instead of turning a blind eye to scientific malpractice, glyphosate would never have been licensed, and thousands of lives might have been saved."

We would expect to see an increase in human carcinogenesis

Retired Academic Pathologist Dr Stanley Ewen says: "Glyphosate has been implicated in human carcinogenesis by IARC and it is remarkable that, as early as 1981, glyphosate was noted to be associated with pre neoplastic changes in experimental mice. This finding was never revealed by the regulatory process and one might therefore expect to see human malignancy increasing on the record in the ensuing years.

"John Little (personal communication) has demonstrated an unexpected and alarming 56% upsurge in malignancy in England in those under 65 in the past 10 years. Presumably British urinary excretion of glyphosate is similar to the documented urine levels in Germany, and therefore everyone is at risk. The effect of glyphosate on endocrine tissue such as breast and prostate, or even placenta, is disruptive at least and an increased incidence of endocrine neoplasia is likely to be seen in National Statistics.

"The Glyphosate Task Force denies the involvement of glyphosate in human malignancy despite their knowledge of many reports of lymphomas and pituitary adenomas in experimental animals dosed with glyphosate.

"On the other hand, Prof. Don Huber at a recent meeting in the Palace of Westminster, has warned of severe consequences if rampant glyphosate consumption is not reined in. I feel sure that the suppression of the experimental results of 1981 has enhanced the global risk of malignancy."

Nations must stand together against Monsanto

Research scientist Dr Anthony Samsel says: "Monsanto's Trade Secret studies of glyphosate show significant incidence of cell tumors of the testes and tumorigenic growth in multiple organs and tissues. They also show significant interstitial fibrosis of the kidney including effects in particular to the Pituitary gland, mammary glands, liver, and skin.

Glyphosate has significant effects to the lungs indicative of chronic respiratory disease. Glyphosate has an inverse dose response relationship, and it appears that its effects are highly pH dependent. Both Monsanto and the EPA knew of the deleterious effects of this chemical in 1980 at the conclusion of their multiple long-term assessments, but the EPA hid the results of their findings as 'trade secrets'.

"Monsanto has been lying and covering up the truth about glyphosate's harmful effects on public health and the environment for decades. The increases in multiple chronic diseases, seen since its introduction into the food supply, continue to rise in step with its use. Monsanto's Roundup glyphosate based herbicides have a ubiquitous presence as residues in the food supply directly associated with its crop use.

"Nations must stand together against Monsanto and other chemical companies who continue to destroy the biosphere. We are all part of that biosphere and we are all connected. What affects one affects us all."


www.theecologist.org/blogs_and_comments/Blogs/2915559/monsanto_and_epa_knew_of_glyphosate_cancer_link_in_1981.html

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So, if autoimmune conditions are exploding, perhaps the explosion of unregulated supplements has something to do with it.


Maybe you have a bias. :unsure:

Real food might be the answer?? Do you cook your own meals? Eat greens daily etc. Its not rocket science. Common sense maybe??


John, we all have biases.

When I am not traveling, I cook most of my own meals. I'm a pescatarian, and eat lots of fruits and veggies, no fried foods, less processed foods than most people. I have no idea what that has to do with pointing out that LOTS of things are on the rise, so to blame vaccines and not supplements more indicative of a bias against vaccines than pointing out that supplements might be part of the problem.

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Sandi, you lost me. Were we talking about the overall death rate? I have to admit I only scanned the last 2 posts because I couldn't find the relevant points.

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Sorry if I wasn't clear. I was pointing out that we are an unhealthy nation. We have come to accept this as the norm instead of questioning it. One argument that I keep hearing (not here) is that people are living longer than ever before. It is true that we are seeing people living into their 80's and 90's, but we are also seeing our generation decline at a fast rate. People in their 40's, 50's and 60's are dying, being diagnosed with early onset dementia, cancer and autoimmune disorders. Why?

We are also seeing many sick children and have also come to accept this as normal. I just read an article the other day about the US having a high infant mortality rate, and another article about the US having a high rate of deaths of women during delivery (due to pre-existing conditions). Something is wrong, but no one wants to look at possible causes. Junk food is high on the list, but that isn't all of it.

So the initial discussion was vaccines. That could go in a million different directions and it has, but I'll focus on just one right now. Autism. Vaxxed just came out on live stream for $3.99. I just finished watching it. I'll tell you right now that I got four things from it. 1) They are suggesting that the vaccine schedule be delayed or spread out a bit for safety reasons. 2) They are suggesting that vaccines be given individually instead of grouped together. 3) They are asking that Congress look into the studies and demand that vaccine studies be conducted the same way as pharmaceutical studies and 4) No one is saying that vaccines should be stopped. Nothing unreasonable in this movie whatsoever. No reason to chalk it up as propaganda and avoid it.

Here it is. It can be watched over a 48 hour period if you don't have time for the whole hour and a half. I have spent the last year reading and listening to stories. I have listened to hundreds of parents talk about what happened to their children after vaccines. I have seen the before and after videos. I have researched and spent hours watching documentaries. I know both sides. I agree that theoretically, vaccines are a good idea and the initial intention was good. But things have gone bad and no one will listen to the other side. No one can argue a point unless they do know both sides and you have to be willing to have an open mind and listen. I used to automatically shut off too when someone was trying to tell me something that I didn't believe, but I took another look at the world and it is not as it seems to be.

vaxxedthemovie.com/stream/

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Not that others shouldn't rent this movie, but I don't think I am interested after reading this review: www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/anti-vaccine-doc-vaxxed-a-882651

I get the gist. It's just not my cup of tea.

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Sandy,

I, too, feel that we need to look into vaccines a lot more. My son has done a lot of research even for his dog and does not want to give him any more vaccines--except for the required rabies.

There is a rise in autism and people need to be aware. My sister-in-law's son has autism which I feel was caused by the anti-depressants the doctor had her on while pregnant. Then, her son wasn't even breathing right away when he was born. Looked up the anti-depressant she was on--and that was a side affect if taken while pregnant. Another thing is not to "blindly" trust your doctor. At least this is how I feel. They are only human and make mistakes, too.

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Tamar:

Of course the reviews are going to be negative. That is part of the cover-up and shows the power that the pharmaceutical companies have. Very few theaters would show it and that piqued my interest even more. It was actually a very good documentary.

DeeDee:

I'm sorry to hear that. I used to work with autistic individuals and I know how difficult they can be. It was frustrating and fascinating at the same time. I wrote a paper for college about autism and interviewed one of the clients that I used to work with. I asked him to draw a picture of himself at the end. He drew a stick man with a box around it. That amazed me. He was pretty high functioning but got agitated when there was a schedule change.

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Interesting facts about the shingles vaccine: (From Merck)

WARNINGS AND PRECAUTIONS
5.1 Hypersensitivity Reactions
Serious adverse reactions, including anaphylaxis, have occurred with ZOSTAVAX. Adequate
treatment provisions, including epinephrine injection (1:1,000), should be available for immediate use should an anaphylactic/anaphylactoid reaction occur.

5.2 Transmission of Vaccine Virus
Transmission of vaccine virus may occur between vaccines and susceptible contacts.

5.3 Concurrent Illness
Deferral should be considered in acute illness (for example, in the presence of fever) or in patients with active untreated tuberculosis.

5.4 Limitations of Vaccine Effectiveness
Vaccination with ZOSTAVAX does not result in protection of all vaccine recipients.
The duration of protection beyond 4 years after vaccination with ZOSTAVAX is unknown. The need for revaccination has not been defined.

Among reported serious adverse events in the SPS (Days 0 to 42 postvaccination), serious cardiovascular events occurred more frequently in subjects who received ZOSTAVAX (20 [0.6%]) than in subjects who received placebo (12 [0.4%]) in the AE Monitoring Substudy. The frequencies of serious cardiovascular events were similar in subjects who received ZOSTAVAX (81 [0.4%]) and in subjects who received placebo (72 [0.4%]) in the entire st
study cohort (Days 0 to 42 postvaccination).

The following additional adverse reactions have been identified during postmarketing use of ZOSTAVAX. Because these reactions are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is generally not possible to reliably estimate their frequency or establish a causal relationship to the vaccine.

Gastrointestinal disorders:
nausea
Infections and infestations:
herpes zoster (vaccine strain)
Skin and subcutaneous tissue disorders:
rash
Musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders:
arthralgia; myalgia
General disorders and administration site conditions:
injection-site rash; pyrexia; injection-site urticaria; transient injection-site lymphadenopathy
Immune system disorders:
hypersensitivity reactions including anaphylactic reactions
Eye Disorders:
necrotizing retinitis (patients on immunosuppressive therapy)

NONCLINICAL TOXICOLOGY
13.1 Carcinogenesis, Mutagenesis, Impairment of Fertility

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Sandi the guy from the movie has been proven to be wrong - I am not going to waste my time searching for the citations. Thank you Tamar for wasting your time finding the one you did - but of course "the reviews are going to be negative" because everything is one huge cover up by the powers that be.

My grandson came to visit so I rethought what I had written after the above paragraph - but I still stand by my feelings that for every negative you post regarding vaccinations you should post about the deaths/side effects that were caused from getting the disease.

My friend with optic nerve damage from shingles sure wishes the vaccine had come out before she got shingles. My uncle would have loved to have had the vaccine instead of being in debilitating pain that lasted years & years after his bout with shingles, the only relief he received was when he died.

Sandi you are posting side effects to a vaccination - you who have said side effects must be listed even if just one person reported it.

"Because these reactions are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is generally not possible to reliably estimate their frequency or establish a causal relationship to the vaccine."

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If there is a "cover-up" (which I highly doubt) we are not going to uncover it in an ITP discussion group. Is it really relevant? Can we talk about the grassy knoll or Area 51 or whether Elvis is still alive instead?

www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/08/27/anti_vax_cdc_conspiracy_theory_sweeping_the_social_media.html

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Okay, cover up aside, why is there such denial about this? I think we can all agree that vaccines can cause ITP. Anyone disagree about that? We've seen studies and we've heard numerous stories. Why then, is it so hard to believe that vaccines can cause any autoimmune disorder?

I saw this on the PDSA FB page today:

A 13-year-old girl developed immune thrombocytopenic purpura (ITP) and concomitant positive antiphospholipid antibodies (aPL) following vaccination with a quadrivalent human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine. During the course of a disease, she developed clinical manifestation with bleeding and she was treated with intravenous immunoglobulins. Consequently, the number of her platelets remained critically low and she was put on corticosteroids and rituximab. Since then, her platelet count remain within the normal range, but her aPL are still present.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27312165

Okay, so that's one case, right? Wrong. Take a look at the comments under the article on the FB page. How many more are there that are not reported?

www.facebook.com/plateletdisorder/posts/1100358043350963?comment_id=1100396460013788¬if_t=like¬if_id=1472219962595918

People have a hard time believing something unless it happens to them. There are horrible things happening to people after vaccines and it can be just as devastating as the illness or worse. There have been recent outbreaks of measles among vaccinated people. They don't always work. The shingles vaccine even says that, along with the fact that a vaccinated person can 'shed' the actual disease after receiving the vaccine and give it to another person. Merck's warnings also include the fact that the person can get shingles from the vaccine itself!

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Sandy,

Vaccines can cause a lot of illnesses weather we all agree or not. There's a very beautiful, successful lady in my neighborhood (@54 years old) who just last week came down with Gillian Barre and may die from this (right now she is completely paralyzed). My doctor even said he has only seen 3 cases of this during his career and it can be caused by a vaccine. I also read that Zika virus can cause it. I just added this in because certain people really need to be careful. She is one of those as she had a kidney transplant some years ago. For other, they may be fine.

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Just had my flu shot today.

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Anti-Vaxx Websites, We’re Onto You

Meghan Bridgid Moran
Feb. 11, 2016
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Meghan Bridgid Moran is an assistant professor in the Department of Health, Behavior and Society at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

Concerned parents are being duped by deceptive sound bites and junk science

Anti-vaxxers get a bad rap in this country.

Any parent voicing even the slightest concern about vaccinating a child is lumped in as a member of an inglorious club: “the anti-vaxx movement.” The news media castigates them, other parents shun them and the medical community can’t understand them.

The reality is more complex.

Sure, a very small percentage of parents refuse all vaccines for their children. And there are people and organizations that flatly and loudly assert, falsely, that vaccines are dangerous. But most parents are simply trying to do what’s best for their children in a world saturated with information and misinformation. They just want to protect their families. These are the people who deserve our sympathy, not our ire.

The anti-vaxx messaging—however misguided, however misleading—resonates with them. As a result, an increasingly alarming number of parents are opting out of routine vaccinations for their children. Every day, more kids are being exposed to once-tamed vaccine-preventable diseases like measles and whooping cough.

To understand how concerned parents could be persuaded not to vaccinate their children, a team of researchers at San Diego State University and I conducted a deep dive into 480 anti-vaccine websites to analyze their tactics and assess their methods. The picture that emerged from these sites—from Natural News to Mercola to Think Twice—is at once bracing and informative: Anti-vaccine websites leverage an arsenal of powerful and persuasive tactics to manipulate people into believing vaccines are dangerous.

Predictably, these sites appeal directly to people who are interested in choice, personal freedom and the ability to make their own informed decisions — all valiant ideals. “Natural treatments” and “homeopathic remedies” are held high and offered up as bona fide vaccine alternatives. Yet in the end, these sites betray those who visit them.

Here are a few key findings from our research:
What they say: About two-thirds of sites make blanket statements that vaccines are dangerous, and a similar percentage link autism to the use of vaccines. That’s plain wrong. Vaccines are in fact safe, and serious side effects because of them are rare. The egregious autism claim has been roundly discredited, despite celebrity blather to the contrary. Twenty-eight percent of these sites assert falsely that vaccines are ineffective, while 43% suggest that vaccine use causes brain damage or injury.
How they say it: Our research sought to determine how these sites have become so influential and persuasive. The answer? They play fast and loose with the facts (that is, if facts are even employed). Fifty-nine percent of these sites lean on “expert opinions” that belie expertise, while 67% trot out pseudo-scientific evidence to support their claims. Nearly a third make anecdotal claims that pull at parents’ heartstrings.
Who they blame: Nearly 79% of these sites say they don’t trust the government, and 42% advocate distrust of health-care practitioners. Vaccine-supportive entities are routinely depicted as uninformed about the alleged dangers (78% of the sites). Most of the sites (82%) also imply or directly state that these entities don’t care about the well-being of the populace; and many sites encourage distrust of credible health authorities, such as the CDC, suggesting that these credentialed doctors and scientists are complicit in some vast conspiracy.

Any sense of measured discourse is nearly impossible to find on anti-vaccine websites, as the volume and vitriol of the most ardent anti-vaxxers consistently drowns out reason—and science. Mark Zuckerberg’s personal Facebook post last month—a photo of his two-month-old daughter about to be vaccinated—is a case study in this alter-world.

We know that the majority of parents in the U.S. do just what Zuckerberg and his wife Priscilla Chan did: They inoculated their child against disease. But the founder of the largest social network in the world became the latest bulls-eye on the anti-vaccine movement’s target range. Zuckerberg and his wife (who is a pediatrician, by the way) were ridiculed for endangering their daughter’s health. The supporting arguments were laced with junk science and indicted everyone from Big Pharma to the CIA.

The fact that this couple’s sensible decision can ignite a “controversy” illustrates the alarming reach—and dangerous effectiveness—of the anti-vaccine movement.

From a public-health perspective, this all matters greatly. We must understand this reticent population of parents, and what messages will reach them, if we are to change the trajectory of the anti-vaccine movement. Although science overwhelmingly demonstrates both the safety and effectiveness of vaccines, the scare tactics employed by anti-vaxx outlets have perversely put their false information on equal footing. This makes them appear legitimate and allows them to play a critical role in informing vaccine decisions.

So why not just fire back with educational material with real data? It’s not that easy. A study published in 2014 in the journal Pediatrics showed that “some pro-vaccine messages may do more harm than good” with vaccine-hesitant parents because people interpret evidence through their own biased lens. In fact, the study participants who were most skeptical of vaccines became even more skeptical as they received additional information in support of vaccines. This “boomerang effect,” as some refer to it, is real.

So the challenge is this: Health care providers and public health officials need to find ways to break through this fog of misinformation by appealing to the people whose minds can be changed. By taking a page from the anti-vaxxers’ playbook and explaining that smart vaccine decisions are likewise linked to important values — choice, freedom and individuality — we can recast this conversation.

We can use a variety of approaches, whether anecdotes or hard statistics, to convey the science. We can also work harder to build greater trust. Transparency is a foundation of sound science, and we should seek to make complex research more accessible. We can talk about the diseases, too — not to heighten fear, but to bring awareness to the misery that stalked whole populations in the pre-vaccine era. These steps can establish vaccines as safe and essential, and those advocating for them as trusted and informed sources. We need to find a balance between a cold presentation of science and an overheated rebuttal to the angry voices.

Some of my colleagues at Johns Hopkins and others at Emory University are in the early stages of doing just this, through a program that presents tailored vaccine education materials to parents and trains physicians in effective vaccine communication. Though science has long been on our side, communicating scientific truths is our next frontier.


time.com/4213054/anti-vaxx-websites/

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DeeDee:

Zika is a whole other topic. Not sure if I even want to go there. Talk about fear-mongering! I could go on and on.

I also knew someone who had Guillan Barre' from a flu shot. He was hospitalized and in rehab for a year. He was on a breathing tube and couldn't move a muscle for many months. The funny thing was, when he went to the ER by ambulance, it took two days to diagnose him. I told my friend what it was long before he was even diagnosed....ridiculous. That wasted precious time. That is one heck of a scary thing. I hope your neighbor recovers soon.

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Melinda:

I keep hearing how 'rare' serious side effects are, yet the stories never end. Most are serious neurological disorders, autoimmune disorders and even death. SIDS is listed as a side effect on some childhood vaccines. How many people never even give that a thought if their baby dies? SIDS is just SIDS...no reason necessary, right?

People never bother to read the inserts. No one looks at the adverse affects or the ingredients. Many doctors are not even aware that certain people should not get certain vaccines and give them anyway. According to the inserts on many vaccines, pregnant women and those who are immunocompromised should not have some vaccines. People trust and get them anyway. There is a lot of research lately stating that those who have the MTHFR gene are more susceptible to neurological vaccine-induced injury.

Does anyone agree that Hep B does not need to be given to newborn children? Anyone? Can you give me a good reason why it should be given if the mother does not have Hep B? Below are the adverse affects listed on the package insert for Hep B. Would you seriously risk this for your newborn (hours old) knowing full well that they are not at risk for Hep B?

6.2 Post-Marketing Experience

The following additional adverse reactions have been reported with use of the marketed vaccine. Because these reactions are reported voluntarily from
a population of uncertain size, it is not possible to reliably estimate their frequency or establish a causal relationship to a vaccine exposure.

Immune System Disorders
Hypersensitivity reactions including anaphylactic/anaphylactoid reactions, bronchospasm, and urticaria have been reported within the first few hours after vaccination. An apparent hypersensitivity syndrome (serum-sickness-like) of delayed onset has been reported days to weeks after vaccination, including:

arthralgia/arthritis (usually transient), fever, and dermatologic reactions such as urticaria, erythema multiforme, ecchymoses and erythema nodosum.

Autoimmune diseases including systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE), lupus-like syndrome, vasculitis, and polyarteritis nodosa have also been reported.

Gastrointestinal Disorders
Elevation of liver enzymes; constipation

Nervous System Disorders
Guillain-Barré syndrome; multiple sclerosis; exacerbation of multiple sclerosis; myelitis including transverse myelitis; seizure; febrile seizure; peripheral neuropathy including Bell's Palsy; radiculopathy; herpes zoster; migraine; muscle weakness; hypesthesia; encephalitis

Skin and Subcutaneous Disorders
Stevens-Johnson syndrome; alopecia; petechiae; eczema

Musculoskeletal and Connective Tissue Disorders
Arthritis
Pain in extremity

Blood and Lymphatic System Disorders
Increased erythrocyte sedimentation rate; thrombocytopenia

Psychiatric Disorders
Irritability; agitation; somnolence

Eye Disorders
Optic neuritis; tinnitus; conjunctivitis; visual disturbances; uveitis

Cardiac Disorders
Syncope; tachycardia

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