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Intermittent fasting to help with immunity 5 years 9 months ago #41188

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I'm wondering if anyone has thought of intermittent fasting to help with immune problems. I only read recently that it would make sense that short periods of fighting helps the immune system. One of the reasons for this is, when eating all the time without fasting! the immune system which is already fighting to stop infections. I have pasted a bit from an article to make my point.

If 10 or 20% of the immune system is being diverted towards fighting routine, everyday infectious agents from our food this makes us more susceptible to the developing illness/infection that we are fighting off because we have fewer 'soldiers' in our immunity 'army.' The body would benefit from having the extra immunity which gets tied up in fighting potential infections from our food. That's the first major reason why we do better against infections by simply entering a fasted state - it frees our entire immune system to fight the invasion.

voices.yahoo.com/the-reasons-why-fasting-improves-immune-system-6107336.html?cat=51

So, I don't know why but I thought it was interesting. I'm not saying people should do this but I'm wondering has anybody done this and see improvement?

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Intermittent fasting to help with immunity 5 years 9 months ago #41191

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I did juicing for a week and did feel better after doing that. I really want to do it again. I wouldn't want to completely stop all nutrients and just drink water for a week.

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Intermittent fasting to help with immunity 5 years 9 months ago #41196

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That's brilliant sandi, I do think doing that the whole time would have a negative effect but done appropriately with sufficient nutrients even twice a week in between a healthy diet would give great benefits. It would only make sense that flushing your body and helping it fight the battle it needs to without the added digestion of food might help. I know it's not going to provide instant cure but if it helps in any significant way it's worth it. We should really start a list of things that help reduce inflammation and try incorporate it. Things that actually help though ;)

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Intermittent fasting to help with immunity 5 years 9 months ago #41197

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Also agree, just drinking water...not sure I could do that for more then 20 hours.

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Intermittent fasting to help with immunity 5 years 9 months ago #41198

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Ash:

I have found that eliminating gluten helped to reduce inflammation. I wanted to go sugar-free also, but couldn't let go of that.

I have also found that coconut water and coconut juice help reduce inflammation. So does tumeric. I wish I would remember to sprinkle it on more foods, but I always forget about it.

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Intermittent fasting to help with immunity 5 years 9 months ago #41200

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The theory seems to be based on the idea that all foods contain bacteria and viruses that the body has to fight off. Do people really believe this? It sounds a bit unlikely.

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Intermittent fasting to help with immunity 5 years 9 months ago #41201

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Not sure if you were talking to me or not, but I'll speak anyway.

That never even entered my mind, Ann, nor have I read it anywhere. I haven't read the article that Ash posted yet. Fruits and vegetables probably contain more bacteria than anything and I was eating those like crazy. The theory that I believe is more related to gluten sensitivity. I know you don't believe that and I really didn't either until I tried it. The improvement was too much to ignore. My daughter also felt a lot better when she went gluten free. The problem is that it is expensive and takes a lot of time. I had some things going on and couldn't keep up with it. I keep talking about starting again and I want to, but my Mom has had some health problems and is sucking up a lot of my time. By the time I'm done with her, I don't have the energy to do anything else.

Anyway, I also believe that fasting for a few days (or rather, juicing) can detox the body to a certain degree and that not having to digest gives the body a rest. It can be a good way to lose a bit of weight too while still giving the body nutrients. Not much different than a vegetarian diet except that it's in liquid form. I don't believe that a vegetarian diet is really all that healthy long-term. After that week, I'd still eat chicken and fish and some occasional beef.

There really are some convincing books and articles written about all of this. Also, many anecdotal stories and a few documentaries. I believe that if a person feels that horrible, what have they got to lose by trying it? I have been and am again at that point. When quality of life is that low and a lifestyle change will make things better, what's the harm?

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Intermittent fasting to help with immunity 5 years 9 months ago #41202

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Sandi, haha. I have tumeric and always mean to sprinkle it on... But I forget. Lol. Il try coconut water. Sounds a bit awful as I hate Bounty bars so I fear il hate it ;)

Ann, you may well be right but I'm inclined to think there is truth to it. In fact, I believe it makes a lot of sense. I think there may not be sufficient studies yet on it but to me the one thing we have to do is eat and eating has an effect on our body. It changes our waist line so why couldn't it change things in our immune system? (I know I can't back that up with facts but Il research that) I have a friend who is a neuromuscular therapist and did a bit of training in nutrition so she agrees it is possible. Call me an optimist but there IS things that will help. It won't cure anything, let's be frank but there are things that help. It's good to try everything.

While our immune systems are compromised, there are things that SLOW progression. We know as things stand there are no miracle cures. But the more we all try things as immune compromised people and document it, the more helpful it will be to researchers.

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Intermittent fasting to help with immunity 5 years 9 months ago #41203

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Also, sandi. I tried gluten free...I say I tried because I'm sitting here with a lemon slices loaded with sugar and gluten but tis grand...it's only one. In fairness I barely eat sweets but I as tempted tonight cos I drank wine. ;)

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Intermittent fasting to help with immunity 5 years 9 months ago #41204

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Also I know you will prob think I'm an alcoholic as it's day time there :ohmy: ...it's night time here LOL

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Intermittent fasting to help with immunity 5 years 9 months ago #41209

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I love the Fat, Sick, Nearly Dead video, very exciting that their auto-immune disorders went into remission. wow its inspiring me to get off sugar and eat more veggies. I've been blending more and looking at buying a juicer.

But.. will mention that fasting can cause gall stones. The way I understand it is the gall bladder secretes bile salts to help break down fats. If theres no fat in the diet the gall bladder has nothing to do but store up bile salts. During a fast the gall bladder is not contracting and squeezing the salts out, so the bile salts just sit. heres a bit from the Mayo Clinic website:

www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gallstones/basics/prevention/con-20020461

All that said, I agree the juice fast with lots of variety of fruit and veggies is the best way to go if a person wants to fast.

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Intermittent fasting to help with immunity 5 years 9 months ago #41210

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Sandi, I don't necessarily disbelieve any theory about gluten. I do wonder if it encourages the overgrowth of bacteria in the stomach that I know causes my own reflux and could well cause other problems for people. So cutting out gluten may be the answer for some. However, I see no evidence yet that it helps with ITP and platelets.

The bacteria associated with fruit and veg is non-pathogenic so I'm not worried about it and don't imagine that they tax the immune system, and therefore don't see a reason to stop eating them.

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Intermittent fasting to help with immunity 5 years 9 months ago #41212

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Ann - my reflux did get much better when I went gluten free. I didn't expect that. I've had reflux for 17 years and it's so bad I have acid in my mouth and throat at times during the day. I try to avoid bending over because that usually gives me a mouthful. It's hard to control.

I'm not sure how much being gluten free will help platelets either. It did help some of my Lupus symptoms though. Probotics can help with bacteria overgrowth also. I get on kicks with those...take them every day for a while then slack off. It really takes a lot of work to keep my body on an even keel. I saw an interview that Montel Williams gave and he devotes hours every day to keeping his MS symptoms to a minimum. I haven't had that kind of time to devote to myself lately.

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Intermittent fasting to help with immunity 5 years 9 months ago #41217

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What kinds of things is Montel Williams doing?
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Intermittent fasting to help with immunity 5 years 9 months ago #41219

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Erica:

This is what I saw on Rachael Ray. I usually don't watch her show, but I happened to catch it this day. There are more videos on Youtube where he talks about his lifestyle changes. They are only about 3 minutes each.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMkp6X-OxOc

www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuB8hkxJwZk

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Intermittent fasting to help with immunity 5 years 8 months ago #41891

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Sounds good. Will try the fasting method. And take vitamins :)

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Intermittent fasting to help with immunity 5 years 7 months ago #42379

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I posted another thread on the 5:2 diet. You supposedly 'fast' for 2 days a week (max 500 kcal a day) and eat whatever you like the other 5. Well I tried it coz I'm a stone heavier than I was this time last year :angry: And found that on each if the two "fasting" days I tried I was literally covered in bruises!! I counted 13 new ones after my second day!! Needless to say I won't be doing it again as it clearly doesn't do me much good!!

Has anyone else tried any type of fasting? Anyone found it affects their platelets in any way??

Oh - I should say that when I went back to eating as normal I got no new bruises for a while and the ones I did have went relatively quickly so I assume my counts are back to their 40-50 range :cheer:
Lowest count 1. Highest count 207 (ivig) Indium scan showed predominantly splenic destruction. No meds currently, just seeing how things go.

"Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass - it's about learning to dance in the rain".

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Intermittent fasting to help with immunity 5 years 7 months ago #42557

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As a Muslim we usually have to fast 30 days for Ramadan, last year after it my platelets were stabilizing around the 30s for 4 months - something that's never happened before and haven't happened since then. I don know if it's a coincidence or if fasting indeed works

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